Fromage Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Hey gang, can anyone point me to some definitive source that states who owns the land where Index Town Wall is located? I just read the WA State Parks page for Wallace Falls St. Park, and the wording suggested that the climbing area was part of the park. I was under the impression that the USFS owned the land. Any info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Check with the local Access Fund chapter, I think they have the info. Also, do a search on cc.com, this was discussed several months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 i belive the all but the lower town is owned by the state. the lower town and parking lot(?) is owned by a private individual. last i heard the state was going to buy the land, but i think that has been stalled due to the budget issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCramer Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 (edited) The last I heard: Four main ownership groups 1 Individuals 2 Rail company 3 USFS 4 State Parks Lower Lump Mostly individuals maybe a bit of Rail ownership Lower Wall Individuals until the tunnel then State Parks Upper Wall Extreme left portion individuals All the rest State Parks Lookout Point State Parks Gun Club USFS Parking lot Rail Company Edited February 13, 2003 by DCramer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodchester Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 King County Recorders office will have the definate answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 what about the snohomish county recorders office?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCramer Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 About 8 years ago I spent several hours with a Snohomish county cartographer in trying to figure out ownership issues. The cartographer was excited because I didn't want to talk about some boring subdivision issue. Ownership for some parcels goes back to mining claims. Without a formal survey to determine the exact location of each crag only general guesses can be made regarding property boundaries. I am not aware of any transactions that have changed the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_noggin Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 i dunno what the latest ownership is but in the past the problem has been no one wanted to pay for the survey. That is why the Access Fund put off some of the access problems for the time being.Some of the lower wall and old quarry are privetly owned. Trivia: Some of the granite went into the steps of the capital in Olympia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dberdinka Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 "Lower Wall Individuals until the tunnel then State Parks Parking lot Rail Company" That's scary information. Dcramer (or others) what's your general feeling about continued access at Index? In the B'ham area, in the last several years the railroads have been aggressivly shutting down access points and trails that cross their property. Always with little warning. Same at the Malamute in Squish as well. Also, any probability that City Park will end up as steps of the next library? Has there been an effort to add LTW to the State Park land? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 DARIN FROM WHAT I GET THE QUARRYING AT THE LOWER TOWN IS LONG OVER. THOUGH IT WOULD BE COOL TO SEE CITY PARK REMOVED AS FOR AS ACCESS, I DUNNO. THOUGH LAST MONTH I TALKED TO A SOME RAIL GUYS ABOUT A BEAVER IN THE AREA. NICE GUYS. THEY SEEMED WAY INTO JUST TALKIN ABOUT NADA AND HAD NO PROBLEM WITH CLIMBING. BUT WHO KNOWS?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCramer Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 I agree with Erik about the quarry being history but there have been several attempts to snag some rock from the talus field in the past 20 years. Perhaps the best thing climbers can do to ensure access is to be civil and not to drive up the access road (crossing the RR tracks) to the quarry. My experiences with the Parks Dept. lead me to believe that they are good guys and are supportive of climbing at Index. Darryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Trivia: Some of the granite went into the steps of the capital in Olympia Further trivia: A friend's grandfather worked the quarry back then. He used to live out in the Index area during the week and only make the ONE DAY TRIP back to Seattle to see his family on the weekends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Trivia: Some of the granite went into the steps of the capital in Olympia Ditto the Federal Building in downtown Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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