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less offensive to you because you're not religious. Duh. No. JayB correctly ascertained that no anti-religious jokes were made. I have poked fun at religions before, but not in this thread. If you don't get that, well, you're stupid, and I'm sorry... ...that you're stupid.

Once again (and again, and again) your speculative attempts to discern other's motivations (at least mine) are utterly WEAK and WRONG. I find NOTHING FUN about responding to these kinds of comments, mattp, and if you think I'm insincere, then you don't know me very well (and you don't). If you find nothing FUN about this, then WHY are you WASTING your TIME on a forum that's specifically FOCUSED on nothing BUT having FUN? (Explanation of joke: my use of CAPS is meant to mock your use of same). If you can't understand where others are coming from (that's obvious), then do you really have an expectation that you will somehow sanction or curtail the behavior of others here? What a waste of time and effort. But, then again, the anti-bolting revolution is just around the corner (Explanation of joke: bolting will likely continue or increase over time etc, etc.....)

Isn't Raindawg's posts here really the other side of the coin from that T'vash added? Both are seeking to be be provocative just because it is fun to poke somebody in the eyes. Perhaps there is something about Dawg's post that you find manipulative or dishonest in some small way, but hey: isn't that the norm for spray postings? How is any of this any worse than the daily spew of insults and lies that we have come to expect in the Spray forum and some seem to think can rightfully spill over to other areas of the board? There's a big difference, Matt; I get the jokes here.

While we're 'defending' the memory of people and events we never personally had to live through to melodramatize this vital web discussion... NEVER FOOKIN' FORGET, YA SHITE BASTARDS!

BTW, Raindawg, a Palestinian friend of mine asked me to pass on his sympathies for what the Nazis did to your people.

...to Raindawg, anyway. The rest of us seem to have the capacity to get a straightforward joke as intended. We depend on it. Kinda like shooting deer at a salt lick. "This is your captain speaking. We have reached our cruising altitude of forty thousand feet, and if you look out of the right side of the plane you can just barely see a little Jewish guy out standing in a field, alone, waving his arms..."

Semesters are right, quarters are wrong. Just like McKinley versus Denali.

Yes, and all courses are taught in ancient greek.

From our little survey, BD picks break much more often than others. The question still remains: Why? BD didn't provide much in the way of an answer to this question in their response. This answer attempts to explain more broken BD picks because people tend to use them longer than other brands, but I doubt this is true. Climbers periodically replace picks after so many sharpenings, regardless of brand, so their service life is probably similar across all brands. What the age of the oldest Quark has to do with anything is beyond me. All of the major manufacturers have been making modern ice tools since the 1970s. It would be interesting to know exactly what design changes were made, and whether or not these changes had any effect on breakage, or was that even a design criteria. And, usually, changes in manufacturing mean "how can we make this stuff cheaper?". Did this have an effect on pick durability? From our small sample, apparently the failure rate of BD picks is many times BD's official number. Perhaps they get their number from lab testing, or from incomplete field data, but it seems as though they're not even close to reality. BD has 38 times more market share than Petzl Charlet? No way, not in ice tools. Even if their market share was 4 or 5 times what Petzl Charlet's is, which I seriously doubt, this wouldn't come close to explaining our little survey, which, admittedly, is not scientific, but the differences in numbers are pretty stark. And again, all the major manufacturers have been out there for more than 20 years, so that number is irrelevant. This is the only answer from BD that actually seems to address the question. Whether BD tools/picks climb better than anyone elses is debatable, but BD admits that their picks break more. The question remains: why?

Almost, but not before I ask my young son what he thinks. Yup, it pissed him off too:-) BTW, my take, Heston was a very remarkable human being, as is Ice-T. You're Brazilian?

Not to worry. I am anti-Moses. And anti-David. Some of my best friends are Jews. Black Jews, even. I just hate their prophets. And I do love the feel of a Lugar in my hand. I'm in a support group right now about it. I certainly wasn't referring to Heston playing Moses. Oye! Complicated I'm not! PS: All of my black Jewish friends despise Heston and what he stood for. Raindawg, your suggestion of polling dead Jews had, well, some practicality issues.

This is not correct. Steel parts can be designed for infinite life under fatique loading, as long as the fatigue limit is not exceeded. Aluminum parts, however, cannot. So, somehow (in your mind) "bend it enough and it will break" does not correlate to exceeding a fatigue limit. Go away kid, ya bother us. Your comment reveals that you're not familiar enough with fatigue theory to correctly interpret either Dane's posting or my response. In short, you're not knowledgeable enough to add to this particular aspect of the discussion. Spray is south of here. Run along. Anyway, back to the discussion. If BD picks break more readily than Petzl's, (does BD also have Petzl's pick failure rate, as they do Grivel's...they also didn't really reveal their own number in that regard) and it seems that BD admits that they have traded off durability for other design criteria, I wonder if: Laser cutting produces a sharper edge radius at the tooth divot (point of maximum stress and one from which a number of field failures seem to start) than Petzl's forging process. This combined with a higher level of hardening might produce microcracks at such a stress concentrator in torsion, when the pick is twisted (which it often is while climbing or during removal). Or perhaps BD's steel is simply treated to be more brittle, either throughout or at the surface, which would reduce fracture toughness.

This is not correct. Steel parts can be designed for infinite life under fatique loading, as long as the fatigue limit is not exceeded. Aluminum parts, however, cannot.

Ha! Touche.

Imprethed?

From your posts, it also seems as though you got your engineering degree for 11 quarters.

11th Commandement: Hey Moses: Thou shalt suck me.

Zee food is not Bavarian. It'z ze Chews in za Chambah auf Commerce. Zay must be dealt with.

It's gettin so's you can't even grab some chick's titties in a bar nowadays

or not.

Trynna make a livin any way he can

You know they're makin it hard for the workin man

It's just another case of The Man keepin the Average White Man down.

An, an, like, Ice T wanted people to kill cops with his CD. Literally. Just like in Shawn of the Dead.

One thing White People really like is Leavenworth. Don't get me wrong, I love a good schnitzel before chicken dancing my way to the shiza flicks, but it's time Leavenworth matured into a more robust cultural experience. The addition of some long, flowing banners (red, black, and white looks stunning against the backdrop of the Enchantments' grey granite), tourist assistance patrols in snappy grey uniforms accompanied by smart looking dogs, and the addition of a grand stadium for public rallies would go a long way to provide a more complete tourist experience.