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A THREAT far more serious perhaps, but the fact is that terrorists have struck, and nukes have not. Of course we pose a threat to them. The weak often puff themselves up to appear more threatening. Do you expect them to actually just cave and say "You're right, we'll do whatever you want"? It appears that you are blaming the present administration for global warming, natural disasters, etc. You are probably blaming current policies for doing nothing to help global warming, and blaming them for inadequate response to natural disasters, but I'm not convinced. There are a lot of problems out there, and no administration can address them all. Blaming the current administration for the things it is ignoring is all about partisan politics. Fortunately for those who like to bitch, this will always be an option!

My list of things that you should do to make the world a better place: - If you see a Clif Bar wrapper on the trail, pick it up - Don't cut switchbacks - Yell "rock" when you dislodge one, even when no one's there - Camp at least 100 feet from lakes - For God's sake, dig a hole or pack it out!! Feel free to add to my list!

It's funny, I initially posted in this thread just to fuck with people, but giving it a bit more thought, this occurred to me: Too often, people do not protest injustice, they protest the people that they deem responsible, and just as often they protest along party lines. Think about it, homelessness, poverty, etc. are a big probelm regardless of who is in the White House. This equals few protests. I doubt that the Seattle thing will be a "Torture is wrong" thing, it will be a "Bush is wrong" thing. Fortunately, drinking and climbing (though not necessarily at the same time) are my escapes, and I don't think about this shit that often.

If Jim is right, then our duly elected leaders, who represent us as their constituents, passed this law. Thus, the people passed the law. But, then I suppose you'll come back with some kind of "he's not my president" BS, thumbing your nose at the same sacred documents that you say Bush is.

Interesting, though I'm not sure I would compare this to women's suffrage, civil rights, etc. And, call me a cynic, but I doubt these protests will accomplish anything but pissed commuters. While I agree that it's easy to sit back and do nothing, or point out all the other causes you are ignoring, I think it comes down to this: No "cause" is perfect. Some homeless people are homeless becuase it's their fault. And some people probably deserved to be tortured. If some asshole blows up ten people, I don't have much of a problem with someone shoving bamboo under his fingernails till he tells 'em what he knows. Obviously, no one wants to hurt innocent people, but not everyone is innocent.

I'm not sure if this post is in the correct forum or not. My apologies, if not. And, perhaps this has been raised before. While I know we don't have the numbers like in the Puget Sound area, there should be enough of us PDX climbers to grab a beer from time to time. Thoughts?

I got a sweet Jansport Moon Dog Snowboarding pack for $36. 2 gear loops, and you pack your board vertically or horizontally. 33 liter capacity, and hydration compatible!

Who cares about winning.....I care about surviving!!!

Sorry to hear the result. Not surprised that the Bowling Alley had snow and ice. We ran into similar crap on the north side - summit pitch of Jeff. Fortunately, we were still able to make it through. Thanks for the picture.

Climb: Mt. Jefferson-South Ridge Date of Climb: 9/30/2006 Trip Report: Kevin Matlock and I climbed Jeff this weekend. We hiked in and bivied at Shale Lake on Friday, and got up at 4:00 am for the climb. We bushwhacked to a point on the South Ridge, just north of Goat Peak and climbed up the ridge to the top. The rest of the TR is in pictures: Here is the goal - Jeff through the trees. The rock on the south ridge was absolutely solid. Great footing all the way. No choss at all. The Terrible Traverse was also solid. Lots of great holds and no exposure whatsoever! I didn't have to wait in line 20 minutes behind a group of Mazamas on the summit pitch. And the rock was not covered in snow and ice. Perhaps the glacier route would have been better. No crevasses at all. I was visibly disappointed to be back at the Red Saddle in one piece, after crossing the Traverse again. The celebratory beers back at the truck were barely drinkable! Obviously, I'm being a bit sarcastic here. Worst rock I've ever seen. I would suggest climbing earlier in the season. Gear Notes: No pads, no helmets....just balls. Just kidding, of course we had helmets!

Let us know how it goes. We'll be on Jeff. North Sis is still on my list, but prolly for next year.

More power to ya, Snug. Unfortunately (and this is based totally on my personal experience) I am guessing that finding someone on here that is willing to help is unlikely (except with advice). I got on here hoping to find a climbing partner or two that would be willing to share their rock experience, as I had none. I was very lucky to find someone that took me out to do some rapping practice and the like, and we've done a few technical summits since. But, I think I am in the minority. I am not trying to start any shit, but it seems that most people on here are more into ridiculing newbs and telling them to go learn before they do anything (which is sometimes needed). Anyway, I understand that most folks wanna hang out with others of the same skill level. But, imparting wisdom on those with less experience should not always take the form of "You're a puss" and "That's a stupid question."

Thanks FF...just lurking, but always appreciate expert advice.

IMPO, the important thing is to remember shit like this all the time. I hate to say that any thread on cc.com was right on the mark but, before all the spray, the "If I died tomorrow...." thread was alright. If you died tomorrow, would you have been satisfied with your accomplishments, would your loved ones have known that you loved them, or not? I try to remind myself every day to do something worthwhile (to me, not to everyone else) and to let my friends and family know how much they mean to me. That doesn't mean that I'm always successful, or that I wouldn't be disappointed if I died (notwithstanding the fact that I'd be dead) but it does mean that I TRY!!!!

WWMD??? What Would the Mazamas Do? HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHH!!!!!!

LOL....when I wanna get ripped on I go to work! I do get a lot out of Spray when, as Minx says, it's just damn entertaining! Most of the folks on here can get pretty creative. Creativity is always better than saying stuff like "STFU, you dirtbag!" My 1.5 cents.

I've been up Adams quite a bit....lemme know whether you would want to camp at LC or do a car-to-car and when.

LOL....no chance of getting a serious answer with this group! Let's see....I've take n Ginkgo and serious amounts of alcohol....no prob to this point!!!

More idiots on Adams than about any other mountain...."It's a walkup, right?"

lol...fender I'm not naming her loser!

Thanks to everyone for the congrats and suggestions. As I expected, there were a few decent ideas, and a ton of humor! I gotta admit, I almost sprayed my beer through my nose when I saw Nacho! Funnier than shit! Congrats to you as well kevbone. Hope all goes well!

LOL....I'm up on Adams a lot. A couple years ago, a group of us went - one guy brought a 5th of tequila, another brought margarita mix. A garbage bag and snow and we were having margaritas at Lunch Counter. I drink coffee & alcohol, and water while climbing. No worries so far, but I've only been to just above 14K. We did have an east coaster on Adams, and he made it to the false summit. I'm guessing PaulO wasn't experiencing AMS.

In that case, wondering why you prefer it when the traverse is melted out. No offense, as we had planned on it about now, but the overwhelming majority of the folks I know swear to never go except when snowed over.