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If we stop now posting on this thread then Seaboy wont have a thread that went over 20 pages. His bragging rights will be crushed.

This thread is going down hill....fast!

talk about apples and oranges... Rudy....just so we get this really clear. I would never take someone else’s gear, especially in a popular area like vantage. I think its lame there are those out there who would. BUT I have NO sympathy for this person who by his own choice LEFT HIS CLIMBING GEAR AT THE CRAG. It’s a shame that there are ass holes out there that would take his gear.

So I help developed a crag in WA and this guy hung draws on this climb that he was apparently working. These draws stayed up there for over 1 year. Eventually we climb up there and pulled them and left them at the base of the wall. There they stayed for about 6 months (it’s a secret crag that only maybe 20 people know about. So I was not worried about a third party taking them). Eventually we took them home. Is that stealing or helping the crag by cleaning it up?

What kind of question is that? More speculation..... Personally I think its lame for someone to do that, but on the other hand it’s also lame to leave your shit behind out of laziness. Breaking into someone’s locked car is premeditated. Taking quickdraws off a climb is also most likely premeditated but with a different set of rules. Either way its lame……did you hear me Rudy…ITS LAME.

Breaking into a locked car and getting climbing booty off a wall are not even on the same planet.

That would mean that she is "half" as in not quite a total goddess?

How the F&^$ did Archenemy get so obsessed with posting on this site? She has been here about 6 months longer than I and has over twice the amount of post I do. mmmm…..interesting. If you compare the number of quality posts archie has more like 1,000 times the number you do though. That is a relative term. I happen to think all posts by everyone have a certain quality to them...even yours.

Not true. President Clinton was under oath testifying to a Grand Jury. The A.G. was under oath testifying to a senate committee. Testifying to Congress also has a swearing in process, remarkably similar to a judicial proceeding. Lying in that testimony is also a criminal offense, and Congress is able to file charges against anyone who commits perjury when testifying to a Congressional Committee. Perhaps you need to look farther than just the Constitution to develop your legal arguments. Oops. Seecocks ejaculated prematurely again. At least I can ejaculate, unlike you, who just shits his pants. I sure hope to god the moderators give equal shit to this poster as they do to me.

We are all heartless.....no wait...Im sorry, its just Arch.

How the F&^$ did Archenemy get so obsessed with posting on this site? She has been here about 6 months longer than I and has over twice the amount of post I do. mmmm…..interesting.

Its not stolen if you leave it behind.

I couldn't find the current penalty, but the one time I was stopped by a ranger and climbing without a permit the fine was going to be hundereds of dollars. Sorry I can't remember the exact amount, but the $22 permit is probably the smart way to go. Especially if you are going before 5/15. Robert What pisses me off about the whole system is that it doesn't appear to be transferrable. YOu buy a permit for a given day and if the weather is bad, you are S.O.L. The alternative of driving (for me 4-5 hours) and maybe not getting a permit sucks too. Also, why the absolute limit of 100? I'd be willing to do a different route (other than Worm Flows) if need be but that doesn't seem to be an option. Dude...dont tell anyone....just go do it.

Did I leave?

Shouldnt this be in spray? I mean really....this thread (however fun and informative) is just climbers spraying and spewing there personal opinions about fixed draws anyway. IMO.

How can something be stolen if they were left behind by the owner? Even on purpose! If you leave your shit at the crag….its fair game for anyone. I know it’s totally lame and I personally would not take anything, but if you left it, someone will take it. Its human nature. IMO leaving draws on a route is just being lazy. Why not clean them? Answer. It’s easier not to.

You must live in or near Seattle. Yeah, Timmay and Jon, you guys are no longer CC.com elite. You guyz suck Count down to being banned, starting now... Cant you take a joke? Can you? Kevdork!! Hey....what's with the name calling. "Count down to being banned"

You must live in or near Seattle. Yeah, Timmay and Jon, you guys are no longer CC.com elite. You guyz suck Count down to being banned, starting now... Cant you take a joke?

I think you need to attend some of the sausagefests and climbing parties at Smith. Oh yeah....and a lot less spray and more trip reports, and also be an ice climber. And ski. Oh yeah and the most important tip of all. You must live in or near Seattle.

Right. All except G-spotter. He went right from the birth canal to the sharp end. What a tool.

46 pages of spray.....good job pink!

I think it is lame someone stole your gear. But, the reality is sometimes difficult to swallow. You left you gear in a public place. Would you be pissed if you left them at the base of the route in a pile and someone stole them? What’s the difference? I am not trying to troll you. Just trying to make a point. Sorry about your gear. I would be pissed too!

Keep defending scum, scum. It funnier than hell. ooooh. that was a witty riposte! i see all those hours ditching class and huffing glue in the playground weren't wasted! What does that mean. Do you mean "It is funnier than hell"? Dude, you have a harder time getting your point across than I do. Now THAT IS FUNNIER THAN HELL.

Is the new Beacon topo just Beacon. I was under the impression that he was redoing the entire portland guide?

Mike.....Jim did not have a local to show him around and he managed to put up 30 or more climbs there. I don’t think it was a waste of his time. Beacon rules. New guide book or not. I think the consensus of the "locals" is that Tim screwed up the last one and has not made an attempt to fix anything (that I am aware of) and will probably make the same mistake and piss a lot more people off. I agree with JH. Tim was very vague in his emails. Tim does not ever climb anymore.