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What is a ferrata? Nice….you still have yet to answer the question. How does this route affect you? I know it affects you personally as an attack on your ethics. Let’s assume you had never heard of it. Would it still affect you? How do you know what I want? Climbing is not risk free. Your idea of risk and mine might be different. But when you come at me with this “your way or no way” attitude, I find it selfish. This statement is untrue and you know it. If someone was smoking a cigar (which I love) and I did not like it I would leave the area. BUT I WOULD NEVER TAKE THE JH OR RAINDAWG APPROACH AND MAKE SURE NO ONE EVER SMOKES A CIGAR AGAIN.

Are you enjoying yourself?

Hey! Get outta my way! I must bolt this and I will. ME FIRST!!! As long as there not bolting a crack.....go for it.

Your vision is non-existent if you can't recognize the damage done. The world isn't bigger than it was 30 years ago - it's just now overrun by bolt-only, risk-averse climbers with an insatiable consumer appetite and a commodity approach to climbing. They have no respect for the rock or wilderness and are self-interested in the extreme in that regard. What damage? Im am asking about physical damage? Not your ego. If someone puts a route up and wants to bolt the shit out of it, its there prerogative. My suggestion (which I have stated from the beginning) is to not climb it. But don’t push your old school agenda on me.

Would you care to explain that one? What damage exactly has been done? Rain dog...your vision is small...you must think about others instead of only you. The world is bigger than is was 30 years ago. Things have changed. You need to learn to go with the flow.

Jesus christ JH....please clarify how IB affects you? Does it hurt you physically? Do you lie in bed and think about it? It was doing nobody any physical harm. The only harm it is doing is to your ego and mental psyche, which are not a good enough reason to chop it. Which brings me to another question. Why exactly are you against it? Please don’t give me the old song and dance “im against all bolts”.

What's your point? Dont play stupid....you what the point is.

Moderators...I am seeing 3 posts of spray.

And be a total idiot.

To you. please stop tring to impose your will on me. I dont know if it takes gear. but this summer when I go up to go it i will find out. I am at a loss for words. This Dirty Hairy fella is stating he and others chopped this route. This is a huge hit to the climbing community. The selfishness it takes to do such a thing is beyond me. To all those involved with this, you have set a precedent that comes with no easy rest to say that from now on anyone gets to judge you and your routes, simply by their own reasoning. If I don’t like the color bolt or the kind of bolt or where or how you did anything, I or the next person gets to destroy it. This is not the kind of thinking that I would like my fellow climber to have. We all loose. Hope you’re happy.

I completely disagree. Before one gets to spout off about it. I firmly believe you should experience it first. I am talking about climbing certain routes. Not killing someone. Why is that? Maybe I think different that all you old school climbers. I feel, if you don’t like it, then don’t climb it. It is so simple. I guess you all take it a step further to make sure nobody else gets to climb it. How selfish. But as we all know, climbing is selfish.

Oh the sweet irony. Yah...I am not the one who is dissing it. Brah.

Damn you like to hear yourself talk. Have you climbed the route in question? Until you do: STFU. You got nothing except your opinion. Just like me. You know, if you don’t like MTV, turn the channel; if don’t want to take drugs….then “just say no”. If you don’t want to sleep with a prostitute, then don’t. But I take great offense in you preaching to me to what is right and wrong. You preaching to me what I get to climb and what I don’t get to climb is shit and you know it. And if you don’t know it, I am telling you now. You think it is an atrocity…..that is fine, but to tell me I don’t get to climb it because of YOUR views is extremely republican of you. You and Bush should go bowling. Your ideals are one and the same. Don’t climb it fine, be pissy about it, fine. But in know way will I let you tell me or any other climber that they should not climb it. By you stating it should not be there and should be chopped is telling me I don’t get to climb it. You act like its a bolted crack. Now that would be an atrocity!

Wow, admitting you are a vandal. You are bold. Someone should burn your house down and slash your tires. See if it pisses you off. If you are serious…..which I don’t think you are. Then that is too bad. Fortunately there is still lots to climb. Hopefully those who got to enjoy all the work that went into it got to enjoy it before the ego minded hippocratic purist bitches got to it.

JH....whats really funny is that you have drilled more bolts than me and I have put up 20 climbs, all mixed/sport.

One of my favorite quotes from her was something like, "If I stopped to face every barking dog, I'd never get anywhere". Love that woman! And she has a great ass.

I usually run when chased.

Legality is not the issue in my mind. I mean, let’s be real for a few minutes! When have climbers abided by the LAW? Haven’t you (meaning all climbers) ever pouched a climb that is closed? Have you ever driven over the speed limit, or smoked pot? Legality……come on….let use a better excuse to hate than that. Rap bolting? Is that why the hate? Those who use that as an excuse better not ever climb at smith rock. If you do you are a huge hypocrite.

Blah…blah…blah….Thanks for all the spray Dwanyer……I just one question for you. Have you climbed this route? I didn’t think so. You sound like the conservative that bags on certain drugs (like pot); because a doctor or scientists tells them it’s bad. One big problem I see with this is the guy bagging on it: is he has never tried it for himself. Try climbing the route, and then I “might” give you credibility as you your comments. Otherwise you are just another sprayer on this site. I knew you would shoot me down about my I 90 comments (I admit it was week). And the Iraq comments sucked as well….its all I could think at the time. Story: I have recently been involved with a crises on a newly developed crag. Some new guys came in and (what we thought) squeezed in a route. This did cause a lot of conflict. Some of the original route setters could not get away from the Chop word. I tried so hard to get them to move away from this mentality. As soon as you start chopping it sets a precedent that anybody can chop any bolt just because you don’t like it. This thought process would be harmful of the crag that EVERYBODY enjoys……when you start chopping? Who wins? Nobody. Everybody loses. Chopping shows the worst part of climbing, shows how low you can go. Chopping is no better than graffiti with paint on the capital building. Fucking disgusting. If you don’t like the route….don ‘t climb it. And yes I know this is an old topic. Matter of fact this topic is how I got into spray in the first place. I am not new to this topic. I have yet to hear you state why it is an ethnic atrocity. I can only imagine. Rap bolted and wilderness area reasons are both weak. You got anything else?

Isnt it run out already?

Are you saying that you could climb the route on gear?

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"Here's something that's never been said before: 'As soon as I shove this red-hot poker up my ass, I'M GONNA CHOP MY DICK OFF!!!!'.... ..you know WHY that's never been said? CAUSE NO ONE WOULD EVER SAY THAT!!! I'M THE FIRST PERSON TO EVER PUT THOSE EXACT WORDS TOGETHER IN THAT ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Carlin rocks!

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Does that turn you on?