kevbone

First of all....there is no right or wrong in the world....just opinion. I get my opinion of Savage just by listening to his crazy/nutcase/absolutely/ego driven talk.

My dad is a rag's to upper middle class person. He was the son of an abusive father with rage issues who worked at tire factory in Pennsylvania and a stay at home mom. He was lucky to get C's in highschool. My great grandfather, grandfather (when he was 8 or 9) and grandmother (all of whom I've known well as my Great grandfather only passed away 2 years ago) worked for the mob running numbers and booze during prohibition, then was a teamster for a while during the 40's and 50's and hustled golf into 50's. One of his favorite sayings was that "A dago's as good as a * any day". He wasn't being facetious. Hell, I remember living in a house in Chicago that only had 3 walls, and lived in downtown Oakland during the late 70's. We were poor enough one year we had a construction paper christmas tree, and the weekly treat for my parents was to go the payphone down the street to call home. I wasn't born into money. I'm exactly 1 generation removed from poverty, and 2 generations removed from the mob, and 3 generations removed from dirty Italian immigrants changing the spellings of their name to fit in better. My grandfather pulled himself up by his bootstraps, as did my father. I have a reasonable perspective, and my fathers is even better. That is an very interesting story.......if you dont mind me asking.....what is your point?

he worked his ass off... you know nothing about the dude, do you I dont need to know about his background.....it is what he says now that makes a difference...he has a huge ego.

So true

Don’t you think if you are funded by the government than it is a conflict of interest to vote? I do. You would vote for the gravy train of money always.

Yes....thats right.

People this would affect under this new idea: All elected officials All folks on welfare Contracted businesses with the government. AKA….all Halliburton EE’s My personal favorite…..all oil companies and cigarette companies.

Does everyone that rides the bus earn a paycheck from riding the bus?

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HELPING PEOPLE OUT DUDE......its only stating if you are being helped out....you dont get to vote. Get it?

Our right to effect change went by by the minute Bush took office. hmmm...no right to effect change?? whatabout the dem congress?? that was a change voted in. aren't they s'posed to be making changes? they're too busy spraying too. pulling an all-nighter on something they admit won't pass....and wouldn't be binding if it did. What change have they made? Other than majority? Bush does not comply with congress.....he has made that clear.

okay 1, 2 ,3 "Its a dumb ass idea" Seahawks....I am surprised you are not totally for this! This idea came from a very conservative political person.

Our right to effect change went by by the minute Bush took office.

Picking groups......what are you talking about.....we were talking about folks on government aid dont get to vote. Not gender.

No body is saying the aid would stop.....just until you get on your feet.....you don’t get to vote. I think the elected officials would be pissed the most.....I like the idea of senators and congressmen not being able to vote until they leave office.

Think about it……all Halliburton EE’s that get paid directly or indirectly through government paid contracts……don’t get to vote.

I think you need to define “the poor”. I am poor…..yet I pay me own way. I barely make a livable wage….yet I pay me own way.

On the way home last night I was listening to Michael Savage, for those of you who do not know who he is……he is a completely insane wacked out loony that has a huge ego. I agree with about 2% of what he talks about……I listen to him for entertainment while my other shows are on a commercial……..anyway…… He did make a very strong point about voting. He stated that if you are on government aid of any kind, you should note be allowed to vote. For example…..any government contracts for government business should not be allowed to vote. Only those who pay there own way should be allowed to vote. Otherwise you are just voting were the money comes from. This would also include elected officials. I may not be able to repeat his point as well as he could……but you get the point. I totally agree with this. I found this very interesting…… Then I turned the channel back to Randi Roads…….

If this is directed to me, the answer is no, sorry. Call up Jim at the Muddy Rudder (SE 7th & Tacoma--about 6 blocks west of the Sellwood Public House). Its a new pub and he is looking for local talent to play on Wed-Sat. Its a cool place and most of the folks in the neighborhood I know are MUCH more likely to go there than SPH. Thanks.....I will look into it! Does the Muddy Rudder allow children?

Well said....all of it. Take that purists!

I start from a position of respect those who came before you.....if you were not the first at a crag.....you loose out...

Your jokes are about as funny as your martial arts....

I dont.......but you need to climb at smith more. This happens alot there.

This is a 5 star trip report. Thanks for sharing.....and the pictures are to dye for!

What happened? This thread was in full spray mode......then a real discussion come along....WTF

I agree......this guy is sick beyond words....