KaskadskyjKozak

I do. But only if they target our soldiers.

None of them were firing at us, or sitting on top of weapons stockpiles (conventional weapons), or doing anything wrong? If he was unarmed, then I think that murder is not much different than the CARE worker's... I don't equate the two. These civilians are not intentionally murdered. It is "collateral damage" - a horror of war, terrible, and tragic. The CARE worker was intentionally murdered in cold bold. It is personal. I equate the later to premeditated murder, and the former to something like "manslaughter". If it can be proven that we *intentionallY* target civilians with our bombs, well that is another matter...

They are certainly 'less innocent' if they had guns and were firing at our troops. There is no moral equivalency here.

Yes.

I don't drink with psychopaths packing heat.

My diagnosis of the cause: crack smoking combined with Satanism.

Pot... kettle... black.

November sucks ass.

They are already brainwashed with propaganda about what we will supposedly do to them. We've been down this path before in other wars...

The U.S. could use Powell's service, no matter which party's administration he serves under.

It is obvious that NO MATTER whom Bush appoints to ANY position, they will immediately be the subject to character assassination and the politics of personal destruction by the opposition. Under a Democratic administration, all we would hear about from the left-leaning media would be fluff pieces about the nominees and how progressive the president is for nominating women and minorities to key cabinet positions.

Are there any (road) access issues that early in the season? I do not have a 4WD vehicle. I believe that route is on the other side of the mountain (N side?).

"Total War" would mandate that no buildings were left standing for them to hide in in the first place. We are not engaging in this type of war. Our troops already expect bad treatment from the insurgents. People who videotape beheadings of live *civilians* will certainly have no qualms about shooting our men in the back, or killing wounded. And it goes without saying that Iraqi insurgents don't arrest each other when they kill Americans - no matter what the circumstances. We should not be killing unarmed Iraqis. But we are doing a lot better job of following the conventions of war than the other side is.

If it is as it appears to be (we'll see) - I don't like it.

As I understand it, the weather in Shasta typically stabilizes in June. I'm considering a memorial day climb (walk-up, Avalanche gulch). What are route and weather conditions like at this time of year? How crowded is the trail up?

1) obviously you are annoyed by my posts. Tough shit. 2) You are also annoyed by my avatar and anonymity. Again, tough shit. 3) Posting on the internet and climbing are not necessarily mutually exclusive activities.

1) If you are so annoyed by my posts, don't read them. 2) I'll post wherever I fucking want to

On a related note... The more I read and hear about this post-election analysis, I am coming to the conclusion that the whole "moral values" influence on the election is bogus. Apparently there was a poll that listed several options and asked voters what was the #1 issue that influenced their vote. "Moral Values" was listed and received the most responses (20% or so). The problems with this are 1) if you ask people to come up with their #1 issue without *listing* the issues for them, much fewer say moral values, and 2) this item combines many issues for people (gay marriage, abortion, the war in Iraq), 3) liberals opposed to Bush's policies also may be included in this statistic (the war in Iraq is a moral issue for many). 4) In those states where a gay marriage issue was on the ballot, Bush's performance was relatively worse than his overall performance (3% improvement over 2000). I think both sides are trying to leverage this question to their advantage. Liberals want to attack Bush and Bush supporters and claim the election was decided out of fear. Some Bush supporters want to claim morality is "on their side" and claim credit for the victory to get payback for their support in terms of policy. I think both sides of this are wrong, and that the moral values issue was BS to begin with.

Why do you think I left there? 12+ years now...

Ok, but we were off of Iraqi soil. But, then again the no-fly zones were enforced by the air force for 10+ years. It's still a difference w/r/t Vietnam.

Is anyone else in the lower right quadrant? (economic 1.00 / social -1.74)

In Vietnam there was almost 20 years of war; they didn't use chemical weapons, they had random executions; they only invaded one sovereign nation (South Vietnam); the North didn't lie about Gulf of Tonkin - I don't remember Saddam lying about WMD, he just acted like he had them. Kaskady for all time best avatar! One more difference: Vietnam: gradual escalation Iraq: massive use of force/complete withdrawal/large use of force again

In Vietnam there was not a 10 year history of defying the terms of a peace agreement, and playing cat and mouse games with inspectors. In Vietnam there was no history of using chemical weapons on the Vietnamese people. Vietnam did not recently invade two sovereign nations and try to annex them. In Vietnam, only one side made the claims about the facts surrounding the Tonkin Bay. In Iraq everyone seemed to agree that Iraq had had WMD, had violated UN resolutions, and *something* needed to be done. Huge differences.

Maybe it was just CYA - in our litiginous society, you always have to worry about being sued.

You've gotta take everything you find on the internet with a grain of salt. The authors of the site refuse to give their "formula" for how they compute the scores - that strikes me as a bit suspect. Everyone has an agenda, after all. Having said that, I think Republicans and Democrats in the US are generally pretty damn close together.