KaskadskyjKozak

What the socialists are proposing is to eliminate an industry (health insurance companies) and replace them with a state-run agency. this is far more than "having a hand" in the industry. It's nationalization and a move towards communism.

I was responding to 5Ks point about the left not addressing some issues. I think the malpractice issue has driven up healthcare costs but I know in WA state it has also caused a shortage in some medical disciplines. I would think ultimately it relates to the bottom line of $$ for a universal system. If a doctor/hospital/clinic pays XXX dollars (where XXX has grown to obscene proportions in the aggregate accross the industry) for malpractice insurance, settlements, payouts and other legal fees, they pass these costs on to the guy at the bottom - the person receiving medical care.

What keeps people from being able to afford health care today? The cost? What impacts the cost? Malpractice INSURANCE is huge. Note the word in CAPS, Matt. INSURANCE. Litigation has driven this, whether you like it or not. The fear of lawsuits, and of losing everything you have drives doctors to pay huge premiums. This impacts costs. Hospitals and clinics all foot this bill. Threat of litigation drives other aspects of our health care system - including what/how procedures are done and how costly they are.

Hiked to Grand Park today. Not as bad as it was supposed to be. the Olympics sucked shit. Had to bail on camping and come home.

Yeah. We know all about "transfer payments." You have declined to address any of the substance of Tokogirl's post, or really much of anything else, except your disdain for socialism. Pay your own way, Matt. It's clear that this is the heart of your discontent with the current system. You want others to pay for you in some big "collective" pool of cash.

We are getting the best health care in the world. The best care is expensive - no surprises there. There are other things driving up costs - things the left deny repeatedly as factors: costs of malpractice insurance and litigation, costs for expensive procedures to prevent the latter, costs of prolong the lives of people in poor health, and the costs of an unhealthy population. They also refuse to accept the fact that many of the uninsured are uninsured by choice - they'd just rather spend their money on something else. My insurance premiums are high. But I'll be damned if I let the government step in and fuck them up even worse. They will. Shittier care for more money.

How about citing books one has never read?

Refusing to discuss the issues is not a legitimate argument. The "liberal" argument is that somethings wrong, wring our hands, moan collectively, whine about the rich, and "big" corporations, then demand a state-imposed "solution". Not much to discuss there other than give a big middle finger to socialism.

There will always be "issues" with any system or institution created and run by human beings. Nothing is perfect. So that's not a legitimate argument.

Ahh, now that's a point worthy of debate. Keep it private, but regulate it, and force these companies to be non-profits with no listing on the Dow Jones (or any market).

And besides, fuck, man, since the VA is so awesome and so it the USPS, let's nationalize the whole fucking economy! go communism!

your mom? So how many happy endings did you administer to your male "clientele" today, Mr. Size S Masseur?

Yes, if it is the RIGHT thing to do and if it might actually SAVE US MONEY, why not? why don't you "chip in" buddy - with your own fucking money instead of forcing others to do so. oh, wait, that's a problem, huh? yeah, you are very good at spending someone else's cash.

you morons do realize that this is not Spray?

One thing to find out is how the descent is from Camp Curtis to the Emmons. It can be really nasty when the snow is gone.

They're dust in the wind.

But *my* side is DIFFERENT. Silly libturd. Are you one of those "Indyturds"? Or a "Greentard"? I'm a sprayt(u/a)rd.

But *my* side is DIFFERENT. Silly libturd.

Well, the dude's got balls to stick with his real name for 7 years.

I actually know a guy named Osama, so it's an easy typo. He's a cool guy.

Still, good job!

Ad campaigns are only part of the picture. Libturd talking heads on the media, spokesman, etc. are just as significant. We've already got the "age" question thrown all over the place, jokes about viagra, senility, etc. Then there's the attacks on his failed first marriage, his current wife, whether he's really a "hero" or not. Par for the course. The only reason you notice or care about the Osama attack ad under discussion, and consider it "out of hand" is because he's "your guy".

2am???!!! Now that's dedication!

he's not "my" man, pidgeonholer. So I take it you'll be abstaining from voting this fall? Hmmm? for president, maybe. Obamalama is a shoe-in for WA's electoral votes anyway.