archenemy

Scarpas are too narrow for me.

OH, I love Armagnac, brought some back from France this year and am hooked.

Thank god I'm not the only one. A fine whiskey suits me.

Good stuff. I love the smell of clothes after being around a campfire all night.

how far away was assailant? we don't know. did homeboy keep running at him after getting shot? we don't know. seems like he stayed up for a moment at least since all three shots went into chest, right? any evidence he shot him after he was down? The answers to these questions are covered in the articles linked on the first post.

There are 10 kinds of people in the world. People who understand binary and people who don't.

The freak is going to wear out his refresh button

Do you also have bull horns on the hood of your car? STFU, Kevboner. Seconded, but with a

Do you mean the dog or the person? The dog of course. Not going to kill some person that just plain dumb. Like I want to be somebodys bitch in jail. I beg you to stop quoting him. Just use the reply box.

Why waste the effort? THe only education connected with him is how to finally use the "ignore user" button. NEver in all my years...

I am becoming a snob.

The jury was originally spit 4-4. Had some good convincers that it was time to go get dinner at home instead of the motel. Ah shit. Seaboy has entered the ring.....let me guess....you carry guns like Archypoo, right? You have bull horns on your car and yell yee ha everytime you take a shit. right? Yes I have 3 guns. I hunt upland birds, also been deer and elk hunting. I love animals they taste great. And if I had my pistol on the trail the day the Pit attacked me I would have shot the sucker. After you are done with Minx, I'll take you for a bit. And please stop quoting Kevfuck in your responses. I can't see anything he posts unless you quote him.

So I have to quote you. This is a mistatement. The man WAS being attacked. Was this part of the vicious attack as well? Maybe it was part of his stealth attack plan? And then, a shocking statement from the medical examiner: He said the position of Kuenzli’s arm may prove he was actually standing still when he got shot—not running towards Fish as he had claimed. So my question to you is, did you understand what you were reading when you read this trusty Dateline story?

So I have to quote you. This is a mistatement. The man WAS being attacked. He was? Was this the "attack" "he’s swinging, kind of punching at me" Gee, I can shoot someone for kind of hitting me sorta a little bit? That justifies deadly force? Come on.

The question before the jury was, "is it Murder in the Second Degree"? Had I been a juror I would have voted to acquit. Had the question been, "is it Neglegent Homicide or Manslaughter?", I would have voted to convict. So now you know exactly what you would decide before hearing the trial? Isn't that type of condemning exactly what you have spoken out about?

I beg your pardon? I am curious about exactly when did you develop these mind-reading abilities? How, precisely, do you "know" what it is I was thinking regarding others? And when did I come across as incapable of seperating my personal beliefs from others' beliefs? I think we should change this thread title to "Another Reason not to Believe a Scientist"

Funny how CBS and I see this so differently. Why do my posts come across as knee jerk? I have dogs. I have guns. I have experience being in situations like these. My beliefs come from my background, my thinking through these issues, from reflecting back on what I've seen and done. I don't see mobs running out saying hang him. They are talking through the issue with clarity and exploring how they might react in the same situation. Since when has that been "kneejerk"?

This is not a difficult quandry. If you have dogs, follow the leash law. If you have a gun, don't shoot people unless you absofuckinglutly have to.

Both.

Of course this particular situation is hypothetical. But as I have mentioned in the thread, I have both been in a situation where I was attacked and I have been in a situation where I have actually killed living things. I know myself and my reactions pretty well, so I although I cannot say with 100% accuracy exactly what I would do in this hypothetical situation, I know myself and know my history well enough to give a pretty good picture of what I would do.

Of course. But someone running at you does not qualify. "Don't shoot until you see the white of their eyes" is not just a quip.

I also practice regularly. I also kill things regularly. I also know when to shoot and when to hold. Part of my automatic response to anything that might involve me and a gun is to assess the situation before blindly reacting.

Oh, and why would the prosecutor prove that the defendent acted in self defense? This does not make sense to me.

I didn't see the show. The only one who saw the show is the guy in jail. And the Dead guy. Appears the guy is trigger happy. He should be in jail. Dateline interviewed several people who had worked with the victim. One of them said that he knew something like this would happen. The man had an extremely volatile temper. He had assaulted others before. The former coworker likened the man to a ticking time bomb. None of this information was presented to the jury. Also it is pretty clear that many of you commenting on this thread did not read very much about this case. First of all the defendant did not shoot any dog. He fired a warning shot which scared the dogs away. Second, they interviewed someone in the dog pound from where the yellow lab came, and he said the dog had been there because he was a biter. I put myself in the defendant's shoes because I had been in a very similar situation myself. A few years ago, I was out for a run on my lunch break. I'd just sprinted up a big hill in Kinnear Park at Lower Queen Anne, when I came upon a man walking an unleashed dog. It was a medium sized poodle mix. The dog charged me. Like the man in the story above, I yelled at the man, "call your dog off! call your dog off". He just stood there, mute as he let the dog attack me. I kicked in it's direction to keep it from biting me. I managed to scare it (not sure if I actually struck it). At that point, I would of continued at a run, but I was completely out of breath. The man charged me with his fists raised. He stood there threatening me, while all I could do was gasp. If I had had a gun I would have shot the bastard. I have a right to run through a public park without being attacked by someone's dog and then by the owner who fails to control it. All I was doing was minding my own business. By the way, the law in Arizona was subsequently changed to put the onus on the prosecutor to prove that defendant acted in self-defense, rather than on the defendant. You obviously didn't read our posts very carefully. We were speaking hypothetically that it would be acceptable to shoot a threatending dog. NO ONE said that the man did shoot the dog. You should read more closely before admonishing us to do so. It is obvious you have not gotten over your run in with someone who scared you. Here is a wake up call for you--you don't get to shoot people for scaring you. You are alive an unharmed. That makes it pretty obvious that you didn't have the right to shoot that person. And trust me, I know what it's like to be attacked. But killing another human being is the most egregarious error that one could ever make.

Sounds like you had a ball!!! Nice going! But what is a multiple duplicate?