archenemy

OMG! Maybe we should delete this thread?

He had cancer dumb shit. What do you think gave him cancer stupid? Dumb shit alot people get cancer and they don't take roids. Testicular cancer is very high among people that bike competively. It bad for the nuts. That why they freeze sperm. Read little you might learn something. Thank you for pointing this out--this is important. I think we have gotten to the point where we are so scared of cancer that we blame the person who has cancer as if they did something unhealthy that caused it. I have a friend who has lung cancer and the first thing everyone asks is if she smokes. She doesn't, and she is tired of the assumption that even though smoking does cause cancer, so do a fuck of a lot of other things. There is an underlying current of feeling that if you got cancer, you did something to cause it. This has to stop.

doubtful

That is the cool thing about being 23. You already know everything.

I do know this. I was implying that it would be better that people get roids from their doc in controlled amounts. Rather than trial and error with dosages that WAY super-physiologic! At the competitive level, most bodybuilders know far more about steriods and their application than most doc's do. However, doc's would "bone up" on their knowledge if there were a bigger market for it. That said, there are actually a number of doc's who help competitors b/c they know the builder is going to do the steriods anyway so they figure helping to mitigate the long term damage is better than doing nothing at all.

Apparently I just have to put your balls in the sun

BTW: The "bovine and horse chemicals" are the same that are used for humans. There are not seperate lines of hormones or simulated hormones for animals and people--they are the same.

You never know where a thread may go....to go from the topic of killing women to censorship is an interesting change in direction. Thanks to you for posting your reactions, impressions, and convictions here. And thanks to Off for posting a warning that I should have reiterated (in addition to the CNN warnings) in my original post.

I don't know what bum-ups are, but they sound fun.

in real life that won't be happening anytime soon...

Someone like Sherri.

And satisfying....

throw a hiccup or a sneeze in there and then we're talking! hey, I just farted.

I don't advocate steroid use, but I would be behind an open option for it. In other words, I think it would be more fair and safer if it were a legal option. Then, two circuits (of any sport)could be clear: the "natural" and the "augmented". I believe that what you chose to do with your body is up to you, and if you want to put steriods in it, at least do so with a doctor's close supervision. And don't compete against people who opt not to use this enhancement. That sounds simple, but folks don't seem to agree with it much.

At least we'd go down together. Wait, did that sound funny?

You the man

I didn't either.

I took it to mean that you were using the two responses we are all told we have a choice of. We aren't cats--at least, we ain't pussies. People achieve amazing things in the face of fear--sometimes because of it. But being taught that fear is something that we have to confront or run from closes off our minds to reaching our full capacity. I believe our full capacity (and mostly likely a natural one that gets stomped out of us) includes the ability, option, and likliness of embracing our fear and growing as a result of it.

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I'm following you now...

I want to watch Bob kick *your* ass.

Your balls shrink when using roids long term due to your own body no longer producing as much of its own testosterone. When you go off the juice, they crank back up in size and in functioning. Most guys stack and cycle their drugs to minimize this. Sterility is possible, but rather rare. You already have a cute kid, what are you worried about?

I am not sure what your question here is. The FTC regulates marketing rules in all industries. So when it comes to drugs, the FTC watches claims no matter what. EVen the supplement and vitamin industry, which is not regulated by the FDA, is still regulated by the FTC. THis is not likely to change, so I am not sure what the concern we are talking about here is.

I am assuming you don't know a whole lot about the world of professional bodybuilding, so if I have made that assumption incorrectly, please forgive me for sounding pedantic here. There are two seperate bodybuilding circuits. The main one is dominated by steroids users. In an effort to combat this, a group of guys have started "Mr Natural Universe" and essentially created a second circuit of comps for anti-steroids competitions. The rules that are in place for the first circuit are regularly circumvented--there is really no way to get in and to compete at that level w/o using roids. I have trained with professionals who have competed either in one circuit or the other and I can tell you from first hand experience that you don't make it into the standard circuit w/o drugs. The upside is, should you ever decide to put on a few pounds I can get my hands on some helpers real easy for you.

Are you kidding?