lancegranite

thin fingers is ok, narrow arrow direct is the reason to climb thin fingers. the 3rd pitch is so fun! just the feeling of joy turning the roof out the 5" crack is as close to heaven as the good lord will let a sinner like me. (you take what you can get...)

good points! personal liabality is paramount in these situations. truth usually lies somewhere in the middle of these skirmishes, with both sides being "right"about something.

this stuff is great! you guys are never going to solve anything!(but,it makes for fun reading) down here in sunny las vegas nv,the "locals" had the same sort of problem..grandstanding,backbiting personal wars...general bullshit. now,here's the funny part... they put together a liason council filled with these folks. add a few access issues and enviromental concerns, the council was too busy waring to notice the 2 camping areas we lost and oh yeah,a total ban on bolting. down here the sun reaches 120 and UV is murder on webbing . I have torn webbing apart with.. MY BARE HANDS. on rappel? your fighting is making the sport look even more dorky. l.granite P.S. see you guys down here in november!(we can spot you ..pale,beard?,5.10a,dogs,subaru)

nice..thats it...now,let's all pause,go to the fridge,get a beer and type this out. it seems like a door has been opened...

This stuff is awesome!

DC- just paging thru the index guide...man,you really did a lot of climbing! what was equally surprising was that I grew up on your routes..racer x, gorilla, newest industry... classics all. thanks, DC. hey,I enjoy your thoughtful commentary...any chance of your own website?prehaps A.m. radio...this forum is just too..confining.

it's nice to see that thoughtful ideas can be expressed in a netural space. bolts are a fact of life. no matter what we tell our selves, man cannot help but shape the enviromert to his liking. the conflict occurs when we feel the sting of guilt,however small,that something was lost in the act. we all share the legacy of climbing. it has brought us all together,distant and close cousins, to be part of something greater. we represent many branches of the same tree. funny,i imagine the older limbs complaning that the sky used to be brighter in the old days,while the new growth fills it's days reaching for the sun,oblivious to it all.

my list of kool stuff. 1. climb with friends 2. enjoy life 3. lrean to type

well,certainly a randy conversation ! personally,when we climbed at zekes wall there were trees.(it was much nicer then)but now? it's a clearcut. a little clean up (chain saw and shovel) for those nasty landings would be nice. dont be afraid boys ! big business just DESTROYED HALF A MOUNTAIN'S TIMBER. (it was a lot nicer with the trees) now is not the time to get soft,finish the job. and hey..thanks.

you know, you just never know, with all this silly prose what you want to know... might be under your nose!

looks like there is a lot of prospects... so much to climb,so little 'shine. if only we had ... a little more time.

there are clues in the cascade alpine guide... #6594 ...5519' hmmm.

F.B.spoke of some lost walls,myths really. is this the fabled"Vahalla of the cascades"? explorers have long told the tales..bushwacking thru the jungles of the spada to the icy slopes of the ragged ridges that lead to a remote pass,that once crossed, will lead to ..Vahalla!

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