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I have a Megalite and love it. The only problem with the Siliconized fabrics is the don't breathe at all and you get lots of condensation if you can't vent it or get a good crossflow. Oddly enough, I think the Magalight is actually lighter than the Beta (I may be wrong though) Get either, you will love it.

I actually did try a normal pot on the JB, it sucked. The boil time was much longer. I guess I should have taken the time to write all of this in my first post, but I was too lazy.

It is going to be interesting to see what things look like in the mountians after this is all over. There are going to be a lot of roads out.

Sorrt, I meant there is currently very little, your right, by next week it could be very different.

Good point Weekend. I'll need to do another test and weight the cannisters before and after. I suspect that although the JB is a bit more efficient, the PR with the JB pot will still win because the boil time was about 30% faster meaning that unless the JB is MUCH more efficient the grams of fuel burned per liter of boiling water will still be less with the PR. Also, in terms of efficiency, I think the reason the JB is so efficient is b/c it has an "speed limiter" of sorts. For example, if you turn the PR to max flame it boils water only a tiny bit faster than if you turn it up only 2/3's of the way. I think that what the JB manufacturer did mas simply to limit the max flame to the most efficient spot. I think you could do the same thing by finding the "sweet spot" on your stove.

No offense taken mtnfreak, I just want to pass on the info. Phil is right, I am referring to the big pot (which only works on the JB with a cheesy adapter). The big pot fits nicely over the top of most cannister stoves and even adds stability because the ring keeps it from sliding off. As I said, take the time to try both the JB pot and another pot on a stove and you might be surprised. I think this would be great when melting snow for water. Faster boil time=less fuel used and more sleep!

A couple friends are heading out to paddle it today, if they can get there.

I'd be surprised if there is more than a patch or two up there now.

I guess I should have expected this. All I have to say is try using the Jetboil Pot vs. a normal pot on various stoves, you might be surprised. Yes, It was indoors (don't lecture me) with 1 liter of water at 70F. The canisters were both new. I was careful to islolate all the variable. Rather than assuming I'm fucked up, try it.

I'm not sure what part of my assertion you disagree with. My point is the advantage of the Jetboil is not in the stove itself, it is in the pot. If the pot reduces the boil time on a Pocket Rocket you should be able to make a cannister last longer too no? As for the jetboil being as fast, try a side by side comparison with two new cannisters, in my experiment the PR is faster every time. If you have had a different experience it makes me wonder if there is a quality control issue. Either way, I too am curious to see the new Reactor.

What Cheney (and damn near every politician means) is that they don't want to encourage conservation because they are afraid to lose votes if the economy suffers (or because people just don't like being told what to do). Don't believe me, look at nearly every politician's website, no one will use the word conservation in reference to their energy policy. Apparently the only wat to energy independence involves either drilling in ANWAR (if you are a republican) or growing corn from coast to coast (if you are a Democrat). Call me crazy, but it seems unreasonable to think that either one of those methods would come even close to helping us achieve complete energy independence on thier own.

Sorry Tvashtarkatena, I misread your intent. Clearly, conservation is the key. I will say that reguarding nuclear waste, reactors or becoming increasingly clean. It is still a problem, but less so, and much better than the alternatives IMHO.

FYI: The Jetboil stove sucks, but the pot rules. Try this experimnet. Boil 1 liter of water using one of the new larger pots on top of another stove like a Pocket Rocket and then try it again with a normal pot. (Make sure to change cannisters to level the playing field). It boils the water MUCH faster than if you use the Jetboil pot than a normal one. Bottom line, that funky metal ring on the bottom of the stove provides more surface area to conduct heat so ditch the stove and keep the pot.

Tvashtarhena, great info with respect to climate change. There is little doubt among the scientific community that global warming is occuring and that human activity has a mojor role in it. As for nuclear power (or nucular if your last name is Bush) I disagree. While there are certainly drawbacks to nuclear power, I would argue that every form of power generation has a downside and that nuclear has the least impact. Speaking as an engineer, environmentalist, and former reactor operator (in the Navy) I believe a good energy policy would involve the following. 1 first and foremost - Conservation 2 localized use of wind and solar, i.e. solar panels and "windmills" on your house rather than large scales plants at remote locations. 3. Nuclear power supplying the remaining power needs- the newest pressurized water reacotor and very safe, clean and simple. If we standardized the designs (rather than having hudreds of diffent ones) it would make regulation much easier and safer. Once again, I agree there are problems with nuclear power, but I believe that with the technologies currently available (and those on the horizon) nuclear power is the cleanest and safest. I doubt anyone believes me, but that is to be expected.

JayB, paddled the SF Snoq. with Scott yesterday, most other rivers were getting too high. Teleross_I hope your right, but I doubt the precip is as significant over 10K, but we can hope!

Jay, I know the PP.com crowd very well. I post there as Tradguy2 LOL. Do you post there? I already have people to go with, taking some beginners out Sunday and looking to hit the NF of thr Sky tomorrow. No way I'm touching the main Sky at 38K. I've seen Boulder at 30K before, nothing but waves and holes of biblical propotions.

So what river are you hitting this weekend.

I started whitewater kayaking just because of storms like this. Now, I'm happy no matter what the weather is!

I've tried a bunch of bindings over the years (including Flow) and like Salomon bindings the best. The Flows are nice and reponsive but not much faster than my straps. It is possible that I just like the Salomon's b/c I ride their boots and they mate with their bindings the best. Congrats on the board!

For all those people who have opinions on this topic of global warming without ever having read an acedemic paper relating to the issue this would be a good place to start informing yourself. www.realclimate.org

Got my answer. If anyone is curious, as of Sunday, there is almost no snow, except some little patches on north faces. There is scattered water ice on Aasgard and the shallow lakes in the upper Enchantments have 3" of ice on top, the deepr ones are still ice free.

Thanks for inspiring me to get after it Wayne.

I'm definitely going for it. I just want to know what the conditions are to help decide what gear to bring and what route to do. If there is lots of snow on N. faceing terrain, I might check out the S. Face of Little Annapurna. If eveything is snow free, there are a few north facing lines I'm looking at. (I know, I'm a wuss for letting a little snow change my plans).

HOw would I go about that.

Sorry to hear it.