marylou

The amendment will never pass. That said, I encourage the Administration to pursue this little slice of bigotry. Especially in an election year.

Well the monoski seems to work well going uphill...

uhhh...no, not me Maybe later on the chat, about 9:30 or 10.

One evil is by far considerably more evil than the other. C'mon folks, remeber the objective is to get W out of office. I'd rather have a chimp running the country than that fascist SOB.

Sunday night, time to chatter!

I just donated my computer to my favorite charity, in exchange they gave me back my old HD in a case. Whatever way you do it, get your old HD back. Plug it into a new case, or another desktop computer's rack, and everything you had will for sure still be there. You just have to find it.

The antidote for all songs stuck in your head is the theme from the Flinstones. Trust me, and it doesn't even stick with you or nuttin'.

Well, Alp, for whatever reason I've had performance problems with isobutane at maybe 30 degrees and 6000 feet, so I'll have to disagree with you on that one. Just got to warm the canister though.

Funny that I was thinking the same darn thing!

I think they will leak like a sieve in the PNWet. Might get a sample for testing for an upcoming article, but think one rainy night will make for a negative review. Bueller?

1. Warm with hands 2. Keep off ground (set on ensolite pad) 3. if flame sputters while trying to make hot water, set pan of warm water on the ground and dip the canister (stove is still lit) in warm water. Repeat as necessary. Slight flareups a possibility.

I've spent a ton of nights in the REI QD. If you are under 6', i'd say go for it. The footprint is small, for sure, but the 2 door thing helps a lot with traffic. I've slept in 20 degree weather in one and it works in those conds too. Can't say how it does in wind, but otherwise, everything is good on that tent...if you aren't too tall. I have also had it on the scale and without stakes it is really 3 pounds 11, as advertised. 4 stakes add 2 ounces.

The deal with the underreporting of suicides in the media is that most papers rarely, if ever, report on them. It's some code of journalism thing, perhaps someone who knows more about why could elaborate.

Mine went in the recycle bin after I finished reading it. It's a magazine for christ sakes!

Hey HEY now, let's not be confusing "climbing" with " going to the gym". Two different things. If you'd rather go to the gym than go to Pub Club, that's fine, but going to any gym is not climbing. As far as Tuesdays versus the weekend, on the weekend anyone with a regular job is outside. If PC were on a weekend, you could count on a lot of folks being busy being outside. Tuesday works. If you need to go to the gym on another night in order to go to Pub Club, then so be it. The plastic will still be there. That said, work's really busy right now, and for me, what would work is to have Pub Club's location decided by say, the end of Monday, would work great. I don't much care for having last week's crowd decide, but in any case, let's shoot for deciding on location. As far as the PMs, before I went to my first PC, I PMed with To The Top and Icegirl, and neither one of them turned out to be major weirdos. Well maybe minor weirdos, but then who's counting?

Hm, I have plenty of cold-weather gear, and I don't have the social conditioning to get real wimpy about cold, and I get cold. I also have my fair share of fat. Got to be something about circulation or babies. If you don't like how women are in the backcountry, I suggest dating men.

I'm not talking about a probe line. I'm talking about a regular situation where there are a few (2-4 people) where maybe one or two of the people get caught in an avalanche. So if there is a burial and it's one of your buddies, you want to have a probe or what?

Josh: yes. I took the Level One from Pro Guiding. We talked about the snow in other places, but most of the talk was about our particular kind of snowpack. They empasized over and over that beacon, shovel, probe are a kind of safety "system" and it doesn't to so much good to just carry part of that system. That said, everyone makes their choices about what they think is important in terms of gear. TLG, what about the deeper burial issue? As you know from avy raining/beacon practice, the signal looks different if the beacon is more than a foot or two under the snow. You *can't* exactly pinpoint it unless the beacons are practically touching each other. A probe's going to save you some digging. I'm curious about the no probe or short probe thing....if you have one, why would you leave it at home? Is it a weight issue?

On the tip about probes: in the avy class I took this week, they strongly advised in favor of a longer probe, in the 275-300 cm length. Sure a deep burial reduces the odds....but how suck would it be to have a dinky probe and miss your buried partner because the probe was too short. A longer probe is not a lot of extra weight or bulk, and only a few bucks more expensive. Seems like pretty smart money to this BC n00b.

Sorry for the thread drift. I'm a n00b so forgive me, but if there *was* an old 457 digi beacon versus a new digi 457 beacon compatabilty problem, this would show itself in the "parking lot beacon check" they taught us in class this week, right?

No, but I thought the beacon made a pretty nice present in and of itself.

Heh, I got mine for Christmas.

I already have one. I am more interested in the trends and thought on usefulness among this group. Generally I err on the side of caution. You might say I am conducting a little informal research on the subject for some article I'm writing. Continue discussion.

Interesting the matter of "not enough women" even comes up...as a % of the board I'd say we always show up.