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If you click on link at head of this thread, you'll see my "amusing list" has been deleted by the powers that be, properly I think, from the Access section on this board. For the record, and to further amuse, allow me to provide a link to brinnonprosperity.org's page concerning Dosewallips road rebuild. My list of links was drawn from their list of links, which appear on section promoting Dosewallips rebuild under the heading "Related Resources." A number of the links are to organizations seriously concerned about world domination by the United Nations. Another link was concerned with promoting so-called "creation science." At least two were concerned with "scientifically" rebutting climate change theories. In brinnonprosperity.org's main section, you'll find links to five real estate companies. Brinnon, according to latest census, has a labor force of just under 270 people, which equals about 1 real estate company on Web site per 55 workers. Its total pop. is just over 800. Here is a link to brinnonprosperity.org http://brinnonprosperity.org/dose_action.html#doseletters

I hiked to A. Pass via Quinault about 12 years ago. Can't tell you anything of practical use that isn't posted above. If you don't mind the hike & drive, it's quite lovely, with bigger timber than on east side, yet the place has its own character, & different from Hoh or Queets. There's practically no elevation gain until upper Enchantment Valley, which has mixed timber & meadows. A side note: There are some tiny, permanent snow patches on edge of enchantment valley that lie well below 3,000 feet in elevation (asserted from memory). They're from avalanches & nothing remarkable about them, except they might be the lowest, mapped permanent snow in park & I'd suppose in lower 48. It was mid-August when I was there, and a gentleman and his young son told me they failed to climb Anderson via Flypaper Pass because of meltout in snow finger there. At some point since I did hike, there was a washout below Graves Creek campground (sounds familiar). I don't know if its been fixed but, was quite a while ago.

This is from another link on ''brinnon.prosperity.org" "Within the man/dino controversy there exists at least three distinct groups;1)Creationists who (for religious reasons- Christianity) would like proof that man and dinosaurs co-existed because it would support the Biblical view of creation,2)Scientists, who (for religious reasons: Evolution) do not want to see any proof of man/dinosaur coexistence because it would do radical damage to the theory and 3)Objective scientists who for scientific reasons want to know what the facts actually are. " To learn the actual facts in Brinnon, see http://www.s8int.com/dinolit1.html

I've decided, in private consultation with Mr. Fairweather, that residents in a given region are likely, on average, to have a more informed perspective on regional land issues than those at a distance. However, the "wise use movement," which Fairweather I gather doesn't support, and which is exemplified by links on brinnonprosperity.org, aren't primarily local interests. To state the painfully obvious, mining and timber companies to stay in business must make their stock price look good to the (apolitical) Harvard MBAs on Wall Street (that's in NY), who in turn decide where the insurance companies, rich Saudis and and a wide range of other (ironically) global interests, dump their excess capital. In the big picture, we all better hope like hell that system keeps working, but I think it's quite dirty pool when in pursing their narrow aims, the natural resources industry panders to the uneducated (like the poor guy in Brinnon who put up the links) with fears of U.N. world domination & such crap, and to the limited degree they are successful, they harm society.

Didn't the Civil War settle anything? http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/migration/pob-rank.txt

But here's something to REALLY worry about: "A highly-active shadow international government is developing with strong influence on federal policy." This statement is one click away from the "citizen review" link, which itself has a page entitled "U.N. Agenda 21 is happening in your community!" "Agenda 21" is apparently some bugaboo of the extreme right, and I assume is origin of the name for "Freedom21" whose Web site is also on "brinnon.prosperity.org" ----

Mr. Skeezix. Here's more from the Freedom21 site you quote above: "The enemy is not the 'liberals,' or the UN, or the federal government, or the 'green' NGOs. They are simply the instruments through which the real enemy facilitates its system of governance." It goes on to suggest who this unbelievablly sinister, "real enemy" is...but I'll leave you guessing until we get "Freedom21: The Movie" Site in question is only slightly above the mid-level of a fairly narrow weirdness scale for links list from "brinnon.prosperity.org," implied by others to be the leading local organization in favor of Dose reconstruction. But your larger point, as I understand it, is probably correct: these views are hopefully so far-out that they have little bearing on whether to reconstruct (& relocate in substantial part) a 4.5-mile road into the wilderness, to specs usable for the Winnebago crowd.

Comments, reaction (if any) do belong in spray. http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/360924/Main/360885#Post360924

What happened to the bicycles afterward??

Blake-- Why do you say that regarding fewer visitors? Lance--I remember being delighted by the Halfdome cover--can't remember whether Galen Rowell shot the pic, or was its subject.

To grossly simplify, since the CC folks are a comparatively small bunch who are too rich to go into jounalism, & the Yahoos can't spell, the people you find in newsrooms tend to be drawn from what's left over, making it more likely that they'll be liberal

WSJ, 2nd-largest US newspaper's editorial page as you know is extremely right-wing, & its late editor Robert Bartly got award from Dubya just before he died last year for supporting Republicans. I work in a large wire-service newsroom distantly affiliated with WSJ, & though I haven't taken any polls, the numbers cited by San Jose seem lighter on the right than where I work. However, I wouldn't dispute the larger point. It was in Nixon's time when Republicans were first able to add the Yahoos to their natural base of Country Club types. To grossly simplify, since the CC folks are a comparatively small bunch who are too rich to go into jounalism, & the Yahoos can't spell, the people you find in newsrooms tend to be drawn from what's left over, making it more likely that they'll be liberal. The solution is design better spell checkers, or pay journalists like investment bankers. I'm in favor of both measures.

There are inside photos: an aerial shot of picketts and a group on Sahale Arm & I think one of Logan. I'm pretty sure another shot. Wonder who took the alpine photos. I also remember one of a old guy at an inn (?)in Stehekin with pies.

Wow-- Thanks!!! I haven't seen that in years. The article itself was very bland, even to a 12-year-old, but dumb as it sounds, that shot definitely is a key piece of something-or-other for me. Seven years later I hitch-hiked up to Washington Pass from the Okanogan & thought I'd died & gone to heaven, but didn't actually climb in NCP until years later. It's a long story, to be revealed when my memoirs are published.

NCNP was subject of NatlGeo Mag cover soon after park was established, when I was 12. It's of a group of climbers seemingly about to rap off a route. There is a tarn far below. I kept the thing for years but lost it long ago, & wish now that I knew where cover shot was taken, & by who etc.

I get two paid hours off today, because the financial markets are closed due to funeral. Too bad not a full week. I'd be in favor of an annual RR day holiday, (day, or week, or month). After all, the republicans could argue, we've already got MLK day (which my company provides as a "personal day" that can be taken at any time.)

As far as government banning a legal substance, on private property, what they're actually doing is banning a particular behavior in public places. So in that sense, it's obviously nothing new. Also the 20% figure regarding bar sales in NYC seems suspect to me. I was leaning against bans, until recently when I took up smoking again after quitting ten years ago. Apart from politics & philosophy & public health, personally, I'd just find it convenient not having the temptation. I suppose an alcoholic might say the same about prohibition, which doesn't make it a good idea.

Perhaps Scott listens to too much talk radio.

You need a dictionary of terms used by U.S. Congress or possibly a law dictionary. For example if you look up "indict" (is that how its spelled? I don't own a dictionary) it means to accuse with lots of evidence. But to be indicted by the government means they convened a grand jury, held hearings, and then charges are brought on that basis. In the case of impeachment, its an action done by the House, and in the case of Clinton, the rabble majority approved the articles of impeachment. However, the Senate can vote to acquit, which they did. Beyond that I'm stretching my memory, but wasn't the "trial" held in the Senate? So impeachment is like an indictment, with the House (heavily populated by car dealers, real estate agents, failed lawyers and chamber of commerce types) serving as grand jury. The trial follows in the millionaire's club. You better check all this if you care, but it sounds right.

I think technically he was impeached by the House but then acquitted by the Senate. Weird episode.

I used Ambien in Mexico to counteract effects of altitude (& rats in hut) on sleeping. It only works for a couple of hours at best, at least under those conditions. I climbed a little with a pharmacological researcher from France, who worked for the company that makes the stuff. He said it causes short-term memory loss when used frequently, but didn't mention any other side effects. I didn't notice any, and its popular because it typically causes no hangover.

I don't want to discourage further comments, but thanks a lot to the above folks, especially to Fairweather, given our previous disagreement re. the Dose road. I will bookmark this, & possibly ask more questions via pm as offered, once I dust off my maps & get to nitty gritty.

Though my memory may be a bit damaged, I think I remember the U.S. 1963 Everest exped used uppers & downers & didn't think anything of mentioning it in their accounts.

I reckon I got past headwall but not to lOA with girlfriend last year. How does that compare with other parts of route? I was there in August. What's snow gonna be like in two weeks? Any comments on Oly Mt. Guide description?

Figuring on what I posted previously: that hike from Lake of Angels to Lena Lake in last week of June. So, like, this has a little class 2 terrain but no class 3, right? (please no sandbagging!!!) & I should bring helmet & ax but no crampons-- somebody says? I'm figuring three days, for leisurely travel??? Any other advise? Any bets on whether I'll die as a stupid solo scumbag Easterner? I may try bus & hitch-hiking from Olympia, so feel free to run me down, or whatever, just keep yer eyes peeled for guy with blue MEC pack.