Bill_Simpkins

Dave did it first. Polish Bob also did it in either 97 or 98. He climbed it free, but was not an onsight.

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1. One could sleep while the other drives and/or take a small nap or two. 2. Mountain Dew.

I noticed there is an add on the left side of the site for this pack. I want to say this is one of the best packs I've ever owned for hiking, glacier travel. Wrapp a 1/2-3/4 length ridgerest around the inside and its as good as a framed pack. This pack carries sooooo comfortably. Not reccomended for extended bushwacking or rock climbing as the material might not stand up to the abuse (Get the Granite Gear Alpine Light for that stuff). But for everything else, this is my favorite pack so far! It's brilliant.

I use a 1/2 length ridgerest, and the 1/2 length out of my 3000 ci frameless backpack. I double them up and use my pack with some clothes in it for my head and the rope for my feet. The ridge rest is wrapped around the inside of my pack so it adds frame support(a lot of support!) and keeps the pad inside. Sometimes I go with a 2200 cu framed pack and with that I just use the a 1/2 length blue pad rolled up on the outside and clothes/rope and stuff. To me the sleeping pad you bring depends on the pack you have. It's like a system. What kind of pack do you use?

Leave your trekking poles with the tent and take the stuff you need on the climb. It doesn't really matter if your vestibule and guy lines are down when you are out climbing. This is usually what I do. I've buried plastic sacks too, that works good and I tent to do this when Ill be using the camp for a couple nights.

I just had to respond to this post. I'm a firefighter and Bill really has no idea what we do for a living to make that statement. While we do attend to old, SICK people regularly, we also respond to many car accidents, fire alarms, sick YOUNG people, and some of us actually go to fires quite often. I have never issued a burn ban violation and no firefighter in this state has as far as I know as it's not our job. We also train a lot and do public service appearances. As to why we as a profession are in the climbing accident news lately, there are probably a number of reasons. It's easy for the media to say "firefighter killed", but I never hear "computer programmer killed" and maybe that profession has the same accident rate as us? Yes as a whole firefighters are probably more active and fit than other professions and some of us can even get our big fat "40 # heavier" asses up big mountains. Maybe as someone else said we just get out more. Who knows.. I've been climbing for longer than I've been in this gig and most of my partners have not been firefighters. I think it's B.S. to think that we take more chances than other people because of "the brotherhood". Most of us have a family at home that we want to see again just like anyone else. I think Alex is right on about the East Coasters as well. Peace Be safe what I asume. A good friend of mine is a firefighter, and I have climbed with firefighters, on of all mountains....Rainier. My main climbing partner is a volunteer firefighter. You cannot deny that many firefighters have a hotshot mentality when they group upand bust out some ropes. Argue the contrary, but I've seen it. I've seen it on hood, I've seen it on Rainier, I've seen it at a local 911 call. Get a bunch of firefirghters together and something is different. Even if this is NOT the case, it IS the image they project. And by the way, I've climbed with many out of shape firefighters. Most people are out of shape these days though. There are exceptions to all generalizations, but most accidents on the big mountains lately have been firefighters. Do you care to explain why?

If they had other drivers, I don't think the record should count. They did not get themselves from point a to point b, they had help. Null and void trifecta. Aid. Might be fun to watch the movie though. Need stuff to do on rainy days. (actually, who cares!?)

Easy/doable/hard/scary/'out of my leage' --- slab/crack/face

Too true. I am very curious about this. Its easy to say that we mostly fear loss, but then that strengthens the attachment theory (which doesn't feel right for some reason). What are your thoughts? If we don't fear loss, what is left to fear? No attachment = nothing to lose = nothing to fear ? Amazing how threads drift.

This was a rippin fast time, I think it's safe to assume unless someone else comes forward with a faster time. I think if someone did it that fast or faster before, we would have heard about it.

I emailed John Waller of Uncage the Soul Productions to clarify what he meant by documented. In the context it could of meant it was the first time documentad that such a linkup was done. However, he clarified that it meant the first time it's been filmed/recorded etc....not the first time it's been done. FYI

I ran into a lard ass bouldering recently sending everything in site, on site. I'm 15 pounds overweight now. This guy was at least 40-50 pounds overweight. He had super-strenth hands and great technique. I bet he could send some wild stuff if he dropped the pounds.

GOOOSSSSHHHHH! FLIPPIN IDIOT!

We have put too much faith in our Government. We not recently displayed the kind of courage that was present in our founding fathers to insure the country is being run the we want it to be run. For this reason, the currently leadership is not afraid to do whatever they wish. To set the government straight, now and past this administration, there needs to be more fear to balance it out again.

goat, relax...you're just on therapy overload. I love spray. I am attached to spray.

Not to be a total asshole here, but I have a hard time believing that you are capable of judging what women are worth knowing and what women are, presumably, worthless when you apparently rely on "simple concepts" to judge others by. I don't know, it just seems like a huge oversimplification of women who are a mystery to you and a harsh judgement on men who are different from you. Women not worth dating/marraige are ones that prefer you give into to everything they want you to do. That would mean they have control issues. Are they worthless, no. No one is worthless. Is it worth the effort to put up with control issues everyday, no. It's draining. I've done it before. Co-existing with your mate is much more rewarding than constantly serving their demands. This would apply to both genders. It is simple. Complicating it is justifying attachment. Let the force be with you. Agreed that evaluating someone for marriage is different than what your first premise was: "worth knowing". Agreed that we should all learn to not "prefer" that others give in to our wishes, but isn't that what you are doing when you demand that your climbing partner not bring a phone on the climb? Agreed that control issues are not fun to put up with, that's why most people work through them or grow out of them. Agreed that living in agreement and understanding is better than living as an indentured servant. But if you think its easy getting there, then you are not there yet. And attachment does not need justification--we are attached no matter what--sometimes by a climbing rope, sometimes by a wedding vow, sometimes by a Spray thread. Live long and prosper. It's not easy and may be almost impossible for someone to truly get there. I can't believe all the stuff I used to put up with when I was younger. I was totally whipped. I would follow women around like a horny chiwawa and do pretty much anything they asked. I am a reasonable man. I would never demand climbing partner to leave his phone at home. I might suggest it if the partner is a friend and it's been an issue in the past. Who wouldn't? If someone tells me they hate it when thier GF calls all the time, my response would be,"tell her not to call you so much". But they don't! They just keep putting up with it and getting more and more frustrated because they are attached to the person. Yes we are attached by many things. But I would say that fear is the cause of most attachment. In a perfect world, one could live by these standards, but who is to decide what is perfect? So I just take it as advice. Attachment is the cause of all sorrow. That's a good thing to keep in mind. If you feel attachment is effecting your decisions, then maybe it's time to rethink. That does not neccessarily mean you have to break the attachment. Just separate them from your thoughts. I think we would be rudly suprised at how much fear and attachment effects our thoughts in everyday life. We should start a new Buddist/meditation/Jedi thread and keep the pussywhipped stuff here.

Not to be a total asshole here, but I have a hard time believing that you are capable of judging what women are worth knowing and what women are, presumably, worthless when you apparently rely on "simple concepts" to judge others by. I don't know, it just seems like a huge oversimplification of women who are a mystery to you and a harsh judgement on men who are different from you. Women not worth dating/marraige are ones that prefer you give into to everything they want you to do. That would mean they have control issues. Are they worthless, no. No one is worthless. Is it worth the effort to put up with control issues everyday, no. It's draining. I've done it before. Co-existing with your mate is much more rewarding than constantly serving their demands. This would apply to both genders. It is simple. Complicating it is justifying attachment. Let the force be with you.

Maybe not, but I've been in the presence of that sort of thing. why didn't you stand up for yourself and tell that person to hang up? I did..but his GF was controlling his mind.

.....the bane of my life, but yet desired to some extent.

Maybe not, but I've been in the presence of that sort of thing.

No doubt!! I havent even met a women who knows or understands what she wants no woman knows or understand what she wants until she knows and understands that it can change from day to day. Well said. That's why the man has to be very clear and firm what he wants or he'll eventually go nuts to to keep up with her mind. I think i'm going nuts right now

Speak your piece man, but don't even pretend to understand what women want. You are way out of your league on that one. Maybe I should have said , women worth knowing prefer guys who stand up for themselves. Lol! No man can ever fully understand the mysteries of the women. However, this is a pretty simple concept.

Maybe we are on a different page. Let me tell you where I'm coming from to dismiss confusion: I had a freind who had to call his gf every 10 minutes or she would have a cow, even on climbing trips. I told him to buck up and tell her where to put it. She was jealous of me when we would go climbing. Pretty screwed up. He NEVER told her to lay off, he just let the frustration build up and up and up and SHE ended up leaving him for someone with balls. There is a difference between calling the wife to say "oochy goochy babycakes, my lovemuffin" and all that shit and calling her because she should worry if you don't call past an arranged contact time which means you may be in trouble. I''m not a moron. I'm pretty reasonable. I'm refering to the dudes who have no backbone. Nothings wrong with letting someone know you are ok, before the "call the authorites" cutoff point. But I HAVE been climbing with people who's wife or GF calls them everystinking chance on their phone while we are out. That sucks! If that is you, tell her to stop, get in a small fight, kiss and hug and makeup and get on with the weekend.....in peace. I'm just stating the obvious, I tend to do that. I've had to cut a few cragging weekends short because of partners nagging GF's/wife's controlling their brains. Never an alpine cut off though.

The subject here is pussy whipped climbers. Basically people that are whipped have no backbone. Women prefer guys that stand up for themselves more than guys who just blindly follow their orders. I bet most women that cheat, cheat on their pussy whipped husbands. Like I said, better to be an asshole than a wimp. Although I never try to be an asshole, I rarely am and don't like it, but if I have to choose, I know which way works better in the longrun. Being a wimpy pushover doesn't accomplish anything other than frustration for the husband AND wife. Just my 2 cents. Then again, I live in the PNW where women control the men, so no one here may understand my statements.