RobBob

class of '82...I'm 'old school!'

I thought ryland was the other Hokie. We're like eagles, just a few of us...

flush it

I'm not even gonna read your logic ryland. I say that not trying to be harsh, but wanting to give commonsense advice that I'd want given to me. Funerals, weddings, other symbolic functions are part of being human and showing support for other peoples' lives. There is a reason why these institutions exist. Twenty years from now, unless you are hiding behind ego-defenses, you will feel like a schmuck for not going. Go!!

No it's not. One of the obligations you have in life if you want to be a stand-up friend is to honor the dead. This is a no-brainer. Go to the memorial. It's not about you---it's about your friend. Then do what you want to do.

I think the ultimate deceit in attire is hiding behind "disguise glasses"

Hey, Isn't the guy behind Richard Simmons that Michael Moore guy?

thanks for that, pp, now my pc has pop-up-itis!

Alpine, you're still running on the stats that we learned years ago about US food production and consumption...things are changing fast and will continue to change. Look at how many people are projected to live in the US in the next 10 and 20 years.

Jim's right, waste grease and oil is usable, and makes the most sense for bio-diesel refined from fat/oil feedstocks. I want as much as anyone to purchase products that make environmental sense as long as they are relatively cost-competitive. But the feedstock cost alone, based on a ten-year average price for US soybeans, is $1.50 per gallon. And feedstock is only 50-70% of the cost of the end product. Waste oils and animal fats/tallows are all significantly lower-cost feedstocks for biodiesel, and to my mind make much more sense since they are by-products of other processes. Biodiesel would cost less than soy-biodiesel, and be getting rid of secondary products. But using soybeans to make biodiesel is like using sashimi-grade tuna to make surimi---it might make the uninformed feel good, but over time we are all paying for this.

Nah, a few of us are going to hang over on the sunny side of the mtn and stick with Contentment, Lust, Satisfaction, and occasional Enthusiasm for outdoor activity.

"Did someone call for my Samoan attorney?"

BIG LOU!

Trask, you 'n minx have been gettin' together right regularly...

JoshK, you are the original guy that shoots from the hip and misses. I didn't say that it has NO merits. But regardless whether it burns somewhat cleaner, these facts remain: -the corn and soy biofuel industry is packed with our $ that artificially reduce the price of the fuel. -the crude oil refining industry, despite what you think, is not "subsidized" to lower consumer prices. Some of the largest companies in the world operate profitable businesses by purchasing crude oil at market prices, cracking that oil into products at refineries, and selling those products at market prices. The same cannot be said for the bio-fuel industry. -the diesel industry is using bio-diesel as a way to offset negative pr about pollution from diesel engines. -the vast majority of the articles found on the internet touting soy biodiesel are put up by organizations with a financial stake in its success. My point is simple: While creating bio-diesel from by-products like human or livestock waste, or waste cooking oil, etc. makes sense, it does not intuitively make sense to subsidize a new industry into existence with tax dollars, when farmed acres in the US are decreasing and population is growing. We need to use farmland for food, not to delude ourselves that we are doing good with a costly pr gimmick.

not Barbara...

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NOt me...I just go to look.

I used to like paste when I was a kid...isn't that made of hoof?

Okay, I just wanted to enjoy hearing an enviroperson struggle with reducing fossil fuel emmissions versus 'eyesores in the backyard.' Follow-up: If we could cut fossil-fuel emmissions in half by installing windmills offshore and onshore, but it reduced the seagull population by half, nearly exterminated the double-crested cormorant, and plucked large numbers of Canadian geese, would you be for it?

They just explained it...take a look at US coastal structures, and compare itthem to what was(n't) there the 1960s and 70s. What about windmills, are you with or against RFK's stance on windmills near home?

trask told me he had 'em, and to come on over tonight and get 'em...

what's wrong w/ the gelatin?

yogurt is good, but only if it's got peaches in it...mmmmm