Mark_Husbands

relax. this is not a conspiracy. it is a way to save money if you anticipate using the fee areas included in the plan. it's a package deal for fee areas, that's all. most forest service wilderness areas are not fee areas. most national park areas are. most state parks are. so if you go to washington or oregon state parks alot, and enough national parks at 10 bucks a pop, this could save you some money. i almost never go to state parks. hence, i will not buy this pass. i often go to national parks, namely rainier. hence, I will buy a $50 national parks pass, assuming that i will get more than 5 entries with my pass and save money. see how easy that was? we should be concerned about fees, especially when climbers are asked to pay for services provided for free to other recreation groups. but blanket opposition to fees seems like a weak argument to me. basically you are saying that other taxpayers who don't use federal recreation areas should share an equal burden of the costs of recreation. that's not looking out for others (e.g. low income people), that's looking out for #1. protecting lands is expensive, and society benefits in a variety of ways aside from recreation (e.g. clean water storage). so general funds should continue to be a major source of funding for protected areas. but it also makes sense that costs of services provided to recreationists should be borne by recreationists. guess who's opposed to this plan? The RV lobby, who depend on high cost facilites in state and federal recreation areas. if all fees were tied directly to the cost of providing specific services, we might even see a shift towards less development intensive forms of recreation. honestly, if you had to pay $5 bucks every time you went on a wilderness climb, and you knew it went to maintain the parking lot, keep it clear of snow when necessary, handle litter and waste, deal with backcountry impacts...wouldn't it be worth it? it would cost far less than the gas, food, gear, car, and beer expenses associated with every trip. we just need better accountability for the fees we pay. also, being cheap isnt "fighting the power".

http://www.nps.gov/mora/recreation/rsvpform.htm

i know there are some spots (cold creek?) near truckee. never been there myself but some bay area friends used to go occasionally.

agreed, the recipes are nonsense and the pot is small. however i noticed in a press release thingee that larger capacity pots are in the works. if all claims are true the thing could have advantages over other cartridge stoves in stability (since it all locks together), windproofness (if their shroud works) and fuel savings (if it is indeed so efficient). someone buy this and test it please.

http://www.jetboil.com/index.html

what are you planning to climb?

yeah, good to meet you guys. there's a couple more photos of jeff leading in the gallery under my username. m

Climb: mountaineer crk-maybe Emerald City Date of Climb: 1/25/2004 Trip Report: Went to Mountaineer Creek Sunday with Geordie and Jon. Skipped crowded Hubba Hubba and spent the morning on snowshoes. Found a pillar that I think is Emerald City once it fattens into a wider flow. met two guys, Jeff and Phil, who climbed several short lines right around there. A lot of driving and hiking for 40 ft. of ice, but it was nice to get out of town. I had never been out ther before, but it looked like alot of stuff had not touched down, or did not top out, the way it looked in the books in ideal conditions. got some pics. Geordie crossing the creek me leading the little pillar restful screw placement jon's second day on ice ever jeff leading the next pillar to the right, somewhat steeper

I was actually upbraided by Page for sno sealing a pair of original Trangos. then he gave me shit for wearing a "big wall boot" as he put it in the mountains. "but they're crampon compatible" i say. no mind, Page went on to blame the sole delamination on Sno seal. never mind that the delam occured before i sno sealed them. it was during the sno sealing i noticed the delam starting. he charged me 20 bucks to stick some glue in there that fell off the next week. i successfully completed the season on Shoe gue. moral: Page is a bad cobbler who provides free, albeit unwanted, editorials on the use of YOUR gear. but i imagine some folks have been well satisfied, and my experience may be unique. but the guy is very grumpy, i'll stand by that. as for wax/sealants i have used several over the years and can't really tell the difference...and they all make boots waterproof for a while, then you add more.

not 20deg., but under 2lbs. w/ pertex shell http://www.moonstone.com/d_sb.asp?id=T12570%20Regular%20/%20T12470%20Long

Probably everyone everyone has already read this request and decided to respond or not, but i've got a couple days left to collect comments, so here goes again. Should there be an understood code of conduct at climbing areas, or is individual freedom nore important? Would you voluntarily give up certain climbs, styles or activities to conform to local codes of conduct? ·If there is an accepted code of conduct at a climbing area, how can climbers enforce that code on other climbers? Are you concerned about losing access to climbing areas? Are you concerned about damage to local climbing areas (or the climbing experience) because of crowds or climbers who engage in inappropriate behavior? Should we be mainly concerned only about how our individual experiences are affected, or the experiences of all climbers? · It used to seem that climbing areas in different regions had their own community of climbers who agreed on codes of conduct. Is this still true, or has the growth of the sport and an increase in travel by climbers made regional standards less important? · Is it better for agencies to regulate climbers’ activities, or is it better for climbers to self-regulate (or is no regulation necessary at all)? · And so on. Any comments would be helpful. Thanks to everyone who has commented so far-M

I’m interested in any comments members might have about the related issues of climbing ethics and access to climbing areas. Some questions you may or may not consider: · Is there an understood code of conduct (or should there be) at local climbing areas related to style of ascent, gear replacement, or treatment of the physical (climbing and non-climbing) environment? Or treatment of other climbers and non-climbing recreationists? Would you voluntarily give up certain climbs or activites to conform to local codes of conduct? · Are you concerned about losing access to local climbing areas? Are you concerned about damage to local climbing areas (or the climbing experience) because of crowds or climbers who engage in inappropriate behavior? Should we be mainly concerned only about how our individual experiences are affected, or the experiences of all climbers? · It used to seem that climbing areas in different regions had their own community of climbers who agreed on codes of conduct. Is this still true, or has the growth of the sport and an increase in travel by climbers made regional standards less important? · What are your feelings about the way government agencies treat climbers as a recreation user group? Is it better for agencies to regulate climbers’ activities, or is it better for climbers to self-regulate (or is no regulation necessary at all)? · Do forums like these have an important function in bringing climbers together around access issues or codes of conduct? · If there is an accepted code of conduct at a climbing area, how can climbers “enforce’ that code on other climbers? You get the idea. Any comments would be helpful. I’m a grad student (and climber), and I don’t work for a government agency (at this time). Your comments will not be publicly reproduced; I just want to use them (maybe) for a small project. The same message will be posted in a number of forums in North America. Thanks, M

lost my Boreal ballets at snow creek trailhead, or maybe even at Pearly Gates. anyone find'em? email: markhusbands@yahoo.com