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woah! Who let me post here?????? Must be an epic winter coming...

stoked

Thanks E...

Bill...i oftentimes find that a simple "fuck off" would fulfill prole's request... just sayin'...

nah uhh....gotta disagree on that... pretty damn near universal acceptance of the fact that kevturd is a bonehead...

This is a radically different position than I have thought you earlier exposed. I had thought you had earlier postulated a NO BOLT philosophy. My apologies, I obviously misread something. May I also add: those who attack your profession do so because they are not able to intellectually formulate a valid argument against your bolt position so they attack you personally instead: in lieu of an actual discussion on the subject. This only shows that they either have weak ideas or weak minds. I will admit to you that I found Ivans point interesting and humorous, i.e. that you spend your life/vocation unearthing, preserving, cataloging (and glorifying?) some of the largest scale destruction and manipulation of rock by humans ever seen on this earth. Big respect for what you do for a living from me. I'm not attacking you at all over it, but you have to admit that the comparison of your attacks on bolting, which as you can see from my earlier pictures of the Apron bolt replacement project, the bolts cannot be seen except from close up and often you can't even see the next one from the one you just clipped: vs some of the Egyptian "royal works" projects visible from the next planetary object over -is a stark and interesting contrast? Have you ever considered or reflected on this contrasting thought Don? Regards to all: For myself, there are places where bolted lines are not appropriate at all. And many of those areas have taken steps to control it. However, places like El potrero chico have no cracks and great cliffs and great climbing. For myself, I'm glad there are routes there and places like that. I find it interesting that uber clean/ethical guys like Kurt Smith, who showed up at Smith in the 80s and did a ground up FA of a 5.12 to slap the locals in the face over their thoughts on rap bolting, recognized this and later did many rap bolted lines at El Potrero. You can't even see the bolts unless you take a close up shot. I don't understand the horror over having routes here myself. not to belabor a point, when kurt showed up and he didn't exactly slap the locals in the face, and his ground up ascent of a "5.12" was really two mid range, chossy 5.11's called suicidal tendoncies and touch...he pretty much got beat up... secondly, i wouldn't exactly call Rifle a trad climber's paradise and he was one of the principle developers there...

in the era of the giants when you bestrode the earth with your seven league boots and forearms like popeye. them were the days, i tell ye. climbers today got no balls and is weak as kittens. bolts sap a man's strength, make him into a womanish creature and a pitiable sight. the whole world should just give up climbing and line up to watch the mighty JosephH and the indomitable Raindawg talk us to death with their endless gobbledy-gook and senile confabulations... i just sprayed coffee out of both nostrils!!

i actually was thinkin Superbitch...

so...

now...can't we all agree that bashing kevvy and pinkie is a worthy pursuit and drop this now?

Bob...they are no more of a nuisance than some loud mouth buffoon either... Last time i checked i wasn't buying a ticket to the crag... Arguably bob, you have pissed off many people with some of your antics...should you be asked to leave the crag? that's right, you woulda said "Fuck off"...

oh my gosh that is so CUTE! rumor is that's what pinkie told kevvy last night in a *tender* moment...

fanboi == french for tool == cc.com-speak for kevbone

ah yes, another instance where "lick sack" and "dumb shit" were the extent of your replies to anything you disagreed with. hey i think your bottle's calling; you're getting into multi-syllable words ruskie boy. ahhh...another fine example of the Finns poundin' the Russians...

Bawahahahaha!! THat's some funny shite! Nice send, Mikey..PNW represents!

i already tr'd them...cake walks...

i think John's point is that they might snake an FA from someone else via "trickery"...

you and me need to lose some weight! hahahahaha

i like your autosig...

Because it's an incredibly dangerous habit - gear placements aren't bolts. The plain fact is that "plain common sense" seems to be evading tones of crossover folks these days and by that I mean they're way too busy working the moves to be bothered with rechecking the placement after every go at the move. I've been seeing progessively more and more accidents as a result of this over the past ten years. What is dangerous and what is ethical/good style are two different discussions. Dont bad mouth someone else's style behind a guise of "it's dangerous" We all make seperate safety decisions that we alone have to be responsible for that was my point about calling it a red herring...

You must suck at gear... I have yet to pull a piece of gear i've placed that i've considered solid. Can you give me one accident where this has happened? so far none of my friends, or myself have decked from hanging on gear. This is going on now for 24+ years... generally, climbers have a good sense of when the gear is shite and *might* hold a fall and don't fall/weight it if its suspect and when the gear is bomber, well, shit half the time i consider it better than a bolt that i don't know the history of... I've climbed on a lotta different types of rock and haven't witnessed this *trend* of yours personally...Have i been skirting death all these years???????? SHUDDER...anyone wanna buy some used, yet deadly, gear? you are a funny old man...

why is it a "drag"? Why do you care what some monkey shit does with his gear? How is it any different than aiding? Generating a lot of decking accidents of late? Like when? Kinda bs... "anytime you weight of fall on a piece of gear...again"...so what...that's plain common sense and applies whether you are aiding, "sprading", ground upping and lobbing off/lowering", etc. etc. --> red herring You are a strange fellow...its almost like you're getting bent when someone succeeds with different tactics than yours...why do you care???????? For that matter, your views are why TR-ing is dissed sooo much...'cuz its all pussy-like according to you...seriously, what's the difference between hanging on a TR and hanging on a piece of gear?? Its all the same "ethically" in your world... you still haven't answered my question about euro limey centers...but whatever...

so ummmm this pic: where izzit? public info or keepin it lowlow? looks maybe really good? bellingham...

a good part of the reason why bolts were kept to a minimum is because it was a royal pain in the ass to drill by hand and most FA's said "fuck this, i'm climbing"...

hey joseph...have you climbed in the european limestone venues??? If so, what are your impressions/experiences???