RuMR

There's an expansive industry that feeds it all. The gyms serve as nurseries for the dumbed-down version of "climbing" known as "sport"...large numbers of shoes, harnesses and belay devices are required and sold....and from there, many are introduced to the "rock", where they can apply their SPECIAL NEW SKILLS with the addition of a new rope and a fistfull of quickdraws. (How many are taught ethics in the process??? Probably few if any. How many of them realize that there is a controversy surrounding bolts? Probably few if any.) But the manufacturers love it....the more folks they can persuade to sell-out to the clipping-fields where the learning curve is fast, the rules are slack and the satisfaction is cheap....then the more $$$$ comes your way, a few ($$$) of which can be sent to such organizations as Leave No Trace as a conscience-soothing testament to their "green" aspirations while they promote climbing for the masses on closely-spaced artificial safety-trails. Yee-ha!!! WWGD? you're a dumbshit...BD and Metolius make waaaaaay more $$$ on trad gear than quickdraws...well, there goes that argument...

you do not appear smart at all...

pretty minimal...

prolly both...looks like the cable pulled in standard alien failure mechanism with the head still holding... but one has to believe being fixed and wailed on probably contributed as well

why? you need it? Pink gone again?

i think you are very very dense, kevin...you need to quit dating Maryjane so much...

obviously you can't detect sarcasm...you just made joseph's point for him...dumbass

The horror. The thought that "future generations" may need to figure out and expend the energy to yank a bolt (should the oxidizing metal last) is beyond the pale. More likely, they'll wish we'd had more impervious hardware while they expend the energy to fix replacements. Nice point... It seems a wee bit ironic that the old skool folk always want to tell us all how much better their generation was and how useless the up and coming kids are, now Dawg is telling us the future generation is going to have this old skool ethic and look down on the sporto generation of climbers. Can't have it both ways Dawg. Either your generation is the last of the greatest dying breed, or not. Make up your mind already. actually today, most of the up and coming cranksters totally frown on chipping/enhancing...don's partially right...

how about a passenger roster,dumb ass?? god, sometimes it amazes me how many stupid folks walk the earth...

he said playing with his nutz...

SCHWEET!!! I WIN ! ! ! YAY!!!

and it wasn't work... kevbone called crying...said everyone was bein' mean to him and he was logging off forever...pity that...

for what, praytell?

my bad...had a telephone call...

the odor or kicking the bucket?

can you fucking die already???

maybe, if the gods bless us, you'll catch bubonic plague from that rat of yours...

did you find out the rating, eh bitch?

you can only stuff a full bag of shit with so much shit already...

he's already full of enough shit...don'tcha think?

There you go again. Talking for everyone.

you should nickname that rat "kevbone"....imagine the satisfaction you will receive upon plunking him with your newly purchased high velocity air rifle... plus, you could post "I just plunked kevbone in his head"!

not at all.... get your rat yet?

no...i don't get it...why have you taken it on yourself to singlehandedly inform EVERYONE that if they dare to mention a rating they are egotistical??? YOU are the only one who has a problem with it, no one else gives a shit, and frankly, most are actually interested in the rating...