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    Gym vs. Sport: Compare and Contrast

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    Sadly...i don't attend gyms...they interfere w/ my ability to sleep at night as i toss and turn over the moral quicksand that is life..

     

    I'm a proud student of DFA's philosophy of life...ha hahahaha

     

     

    In reality:

    Vertical World...both, as much as i can, cuz I don't get out very often due to time constraints (constraint1=Drew, constraint2=Jonathon, my boys)

    Gym vs. Sport: Compare and Contrast

    in Spray

    Posted

    jkrueger said:

    RuMR said:

    ...there are no "morals or ethics" in an activity...

    I think a person's moral and ethical beliefs come into play in everything that they do. Sure, the ethics of rock climbing aren't as critical to the world as women's rights might be, but who am I to say? The way in which a person goes about doing whatever it is that they choose to do defines them as an individual and gives them their character.

     

    Hmmm...disagree on that unless it is taken to extremes...ie. After a fine day hiking in the hills, or a fine day plugging gear, or a fine day at the pier w/ my kids, or a fine day clipping bolts, it is still, in the final analysis, a FINE DAY...

     

    I mean, shit, the way dwayner spews, he sounds like he'd be up all night w/ a drenching body sweat and whipping himself if dared even look at one of those evil shiny bolts!!! I'm curious to see if he has a scarlet "B" emblazoned on his belly that he keeps hidden...

     

    SHOOT, ITS JUST CLIMBING...get over it...

    Gym vs. Sport: Compare and Contrast

    in Spray

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    Dr_Flash_Amazing said:

    Dwayner said:

    We do what we do because we like it and in fact think it's better. (Clean, trad-climbing, I believe, is morally superior to bolt-dependent sport-climbing) In the words of a classic bumper-sticker: "Sport climbing is neither." So go self-deprecate yourself (or on your own sleeping bag) if you like. You wanna talk ethics....start another discussion.

    Here....have a beer. It's a Mickey's: bigdrink.gif

     

    - Dwayner

     

     

    Dwayner, how you can maintain such a fundamentalist moral high ground when it comes to climbing and then turn around and debase yourself with that foul malt "beverage" you're so fond of is quite beyond this Doctor. Befouling the temple of your body, you are!

     

    It helps his big ol' pot belly stay in form...gotta have that to match his knickers and cap, eh?? Heaven forbid he considered a lighter beverage...

    Gym vs. Sport: Compare and Contrast

    in Spray

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    Muffy_The_Wanker_Sprayer said:

    RuMR said:

    Hey...someone said Ol dwayner and pope were laffy taffies...you might want to reconsider that statement!!!

     

    they couldn't be sour apple though... maybe sour grape(s) wink.gif

     

    HAHAHAHA...good pun...they truly have their sour grape faces on, don't they??

     

    Remember pop rox?? THose ruled!!

    Gym vs. Sport: Compare and Contrast

    in Spray

    Posted

    Dwayner said:

    Glacier man says:

    "The flaw in yer arguments - Pope, Dwayner, DFA, etc. - is not so much some etherial 'ethical' argument, but the old, hackneyed Ford-versus-Chevy argument of, 'Well, they don't specialize in the same thing that I specialize in, so they are somehow devoid of some sort of moral fiber which I am emminently imbued with." Or more typically - "I'm not very good at/have little knowledge in a particular specialty of our sport outside of my own little balkanized realm." Fortunately some of our number are better at hiding it behind a veneer of humor and self-depreciation than others."

     

    Dwayner and pope are not arguing nor are our comments "flawed". We are presenting our own opinions in a humorous fashion. This didn't start out as an ethical discussion. Part of our problem with this whole gym/ sport thing is that some of us don't particularly like our version of climbing being thrown in with the rest. It ain't all the same. We do what we do because we like it and in fact think it's better. (Clean, trad-climbing, I believe, is morally superior to bolt-dependent sport-climbing) In the words of a classic bumper-sticker: "Sport climbing is neither." So go self-deprecate yourself (or on your own sleeping bag) if you like. You wanna talk ethics....start another discussion.

    Here....have a beer. It's a Mickey's: bigdrink.gif

     

    - Dwayner

     

    P.S. And to beat you to the punch..."Dwayner sucks...it's all good......clip and go!.....blah, blah, blah, blah!"

     

    Dude...you crack me up...there is no "morals or ethics" in an activity like climbing...shit, grow up...its fucking recreational activity...this is like arguing snowboarding vs. skiing or angling vs. flyfishing...are you 12?

     

    Wait, prolly not 12...can't campus can you??

     

    Why don't you worry about a war, or torture, or women's rights or sumpin' real...its a flicking piece of rock, for crissakes...

    Gym vs. Sport: Compare and Contrast

    in Spray

    Posted

    Fejas said:

    pope said:

    Over in Newbies, in a thread discussing how much experience one should have gained before sport leading,

     

    and then I was like...

     

    If you don't know how to place gear properly than you shouldn't be leading anything... even if it is only cliping bolts...

     

    so mr. COl. VP the discution wasn't just about moving from the gym to the sport, especialy our discution... just becase you don't climb any thig before someone better sets up a route for you first, doesn't mean you have to change the subject of our convers...

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    I outy...

     

    Yeah, but what flavor?? Lemon, strawberry, lime, grape, come on...pick sumpin'

    Gym vs. Sport: Compare and Contrast

    in Spray

    Posted

    glacier said:

    COL._Von_Spanker said:

    If your goal is to only sport climb than why bother learning to trad climb. My second ever lead, which was outside, was at my limit and I took whippers on it. No biggie. You certainly wouldn't want to learn this way climbing on gear.

     

    Funny, I learned that way - But likewise, I wouldn't recommend it to most folks.

     

    To actually take this thread seriously for a moment - Rock climbing was originally considered training for mountaineering, then it became its own sport. Bouldering was originally considered training for rock climbing, then it became its own sport. Even gym climbing - originally solely training - now there are plenty o' folks who have no need to touch real rock.

     

    The flaw in yer arguments - Pope, Dwayner, DFA, etc. - is not so much some etherial 'ethical' argument, but the old, hackneyed Ford-versus-Chevy argument of, 'Well, they don't specialize in the same thing that I specialize in, so they are somehow devoid of some sort of moral fiber which I am emminently imbued with." Or more typically - "I'm not very good at/have little knowledge in a particular specialty of our sport outside of my own little balkanized realm." Fortunately some of our number are better at hiding it behind a veneer of humor and self-depreciation than others.

     

    I ain't gonna do some 'Can't we all just get along?' shit here, but just point out the hypocrisy of it all - Try a 5.11 gear line without any face climbing skills. Try next season's sport project without some friction foot smearing or that critical finger lock/jam in that pocket. Try anything out of sequence.

     

    And be 20 feet above a bomber nut, a 3/8 inch bolt, or an ankle breaker landing and don't shake.

     

    Wake me up when something new is said.

     

     

    Yeah, but what flavor sweet tart do you like?? This is the crux of the issue... hahaha.gif

    Gym vs. Sport: Compare and Contrast

    in Spray

    Posted

    Peter_Puget said:

    You're lucky politeness is the mark of a classy ropegun!

     

    yelrotflmao.gifLOL I sound like Pat Ament! cantfocus.gif

     

    PP

     

    Yeah, this kid's special...He's been homeschooled and is really just a good kid...Not a mean streak anywhere...

     

    Talkin' to him, you'd never know he's won nationals or placed in the top 5 every year since he was 12. Or competed internationally, or gone to Font and climbed V10 in a handful of tries or placed third in international speed comps or flashes .13's or is a top notch swimmer...

     

    he's real softspoken and just gives it his all every time...

    Gym vs. Sport: Compare and Contrast

    in Spray

    Posted

    erik said:

    RuMR said:

    Ok then, riddle me this...What would you call Pope and/or Dwayner in candy-speak??

     

    butterfinger

     

    fruit.gif

     

    Oh that's too delicious!! S W E E T!!

     

    I was gonna say Almond Joy cuz they always climb w/ their nutz!! But they kinda act nutless in the gym, so maybe Mounds?

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