RuMR

hey Mr. Wolfe...please refrain from such childish behavior...

oh, and bill, why don't you go have a splendid day too? In fact, why don't you go lob on some orange aliens circa 2004? cheerz!

kev-in-pig-shit, it is true i don't climb...but most likely, you suck so we are even... now toddle along and go find your wank friend pig and have yourself a splendid day...

i personally use quite a bit of different stuff, but my all time favorites are metolius TCU's and their 4CU's for free climbing...

ok...went back and read subsequent posts...it seems that there is discussions about the fact that a larger alien would have been more appropriate slightly higher than the one that pulled...sounds like an upward flaring slot?? Maybe the thing walked up as the leader moved up and opened too much... I dunno, the head-splitter at paradise forks where the guy simply weighted the piece and it fell apart still wears on me...truth be told, i have aliens but will not lob onto them and they are for aid only for me...too much negative noise in my head to really trust them...

Hey douchebagger... I said there are no defects in the Alien in question, right? I'm sure that's the first thing these guys looked at when they got back from the doctor's office. They didn't say anything about it. If there was a defect they'd be screaming about it by now. So we're still back to my original question. I don't even disagree with your assessment of CCH, they seem kinda chintzy to me too. But I don't see how anyone can call this a "cam failure". I guess I'd accept that you're trolling on accident, due to the fact that your reading comprehension kinda sucks. Hey idiot-douche-bag-remains, if you read my very first post i said that it may be "user -error"... Now, what were you saying about reading comprehension? Ahh that's right, you can tell from my response that i think you are an idiot...

mtnfreak...piss off... When the only available thing was YC's stuff that is fine...when i drop $50 or more on something, I somewhat expect that it should do as advertised if it is placed correctly...if the rock blows, then fine, not the piece's fault. BUT, when they can't even connect the basic pieces together reliably, then claim that it was the user's fault or he's fibbing when its brought to their attention that is BULLSHIT. Secondly, when they release pieces that are marked as one size when they are another that is BULLSHIT. Thirdly, when they release another run with the axle holes completely in the wrong place that is BULLSHIT...In short, their entire operation is BULLSHIT and i suspect that the folks putting the stuff together are lighting BULLSHIT and smoking it while building these things. How hard is it to use a frickin' jig to check if the stuff is aligned?? I'm sorry, but in this case, i tend to believe the posters that they should have been able to trust that piece if they thought it was decent. They weren't noobs and knew what they were doing... You know, i think Croft once wrote that fear of falling on granite wasn't a big deal if you have a cam buried in competent granite and you aren't gonna clip anything on the way down...and so far (big knock on wood) my experience has borne this out.

hey fuckbag...i'm not trolling...my point is that IF THE HOLES ARE MISALIGNED YOU CAN PLACE A CAM "PERFECTLY" AND IT IS STILL JUNK...as it is, they have blown their mfr-ing to the point that i think that is what happened... I'm with Dru on this...they have always struck me as junk out of someone's garage...at their initial start they were the only cams that were truly flexible up to their heads, but now they don't even have that going for them... Now, take my bait and chew, sucker...

you are totaly missing my point. and you know it. gear as we know it now was invented at a time when climbing was persued in a different way than it is today. I think that if you want to spend your day hang dogging on active pro then maybe you aught to engienier a kind of pro that is desinged to hand dog on. not pro that was designed in case of a fall... (not because you are going to fall on that crux 4 times before you can wire the move) I have seen a shodily placed yellow alien hold just fine. but that was one of very few falls that piece had ever seen, likely has seen to this day. how many falls had the piece that blew seen? you tell me? was it commen for this climber to push above his climbing limit and tork out so hard he had to place the pice and down climb to rest inorder to make the move through the crux? and if so perhaps he aught to spend more time climbing at his level. we all want pices to hold but the fact of the sport is it is fucking dangerouse. if it were safe it would be hocky think again Rumr you will see there is logic in what i am saying and it is not just muffy logic. we put gear in for the same reason most of us waare a seat belt or a helmet. just in case we fall it gives us better odds than nothing at all. most people do not put on a seat belt and think to them selves "well i have my seat belt on now i am going to ram my car into the next brick wall i see. I will be fine, i have my seat belt on." it gives us a chance to continue to live where otherwise we would have no hope. I have never ever read any garentee on any peice of gear anywehre that has said it will make climbing safe. that philosophy of yours will limit you...ie, you can't work something at your limit if you can't pound on the gear...that is great that you've seen a "shodily placed alien" hold...whatever, the point remains that if i place a piece that i deem to be able to hold a fall (whether its one, two or a hundred) the piece better hold or i got some serious issues with the design. An analogy is when i click my seatbelt in, i expect the seat belt to remain fastened. big duh there. and your thoughts about hang dogging and cams not going together is total bullshit...the guy who INVENTED the cams was one of the first doggers in the valley and his express purpose for inventing friends was to get on cracks that were cutting edge at the time (some still are pretty stiff) and he WORKED the shit out of those routes...you wanna argue some more? Or do you wanna go out and climb some choss pile that you KNOW you aren't gonna fall on and if maybe you do the gear "might" hold????? it must be great to operate in a world running on "muff logic"! it is you know Rumr i love to through shit out there because i learn new things when i state an oppinion. I still think that cams as they are today right now could be improved upon to meet the needs of climbers today. and i still think that you are an engeiner, if you want garenteees invent gear that can make them. until you do that, cams pop from time to time. hopefuly when it does happen you have other peices that will hold. if not you will meet the deck just like every other climber. i don't know a single climber how hasn't seen a perfectly placed cam walk, or change position between the time the leader placed it and the 2nd cleand.... becasue i follow almost exclusivly i think i have a different percpective. there are alot of reasons i don't like to lead and what i have stated here is a big reason. the sharp end is dangerous... even with great gear, perfect placement and knowledge of the climb. shit happens. as far as being limited because of my philosophy about climbing and my lack of 100% trust in the gear. ya you are probably right. If i were to push hard and hang dog every route and work climbes i bet i too could be working into .11 or maybe even .12's if i stopped eating too. but that isn't why i climb. don't get me wrong i hag dog and play on topropes realy offten and i think it is realy fun. i am in no way saying it is wrong to hang dog. i am saying i don't think falling on gear is 100% garenteed safe and i don't think you should expect it to be either. Oh Muff, what is the color of the sky in your world? Rose is my guess!

supposedly it was not flaring or shallow... face it, aliens are unreliable right now...

yepperz...and when they say it was an ok placement then it most likely was...

except that there is a DOCUMENTED run of aliens that had their axle holes misaligned... so yeah, while the design may be A-OK, the fabrication has suddenly (errr maybe not so) gone "bad"...

so what if it lost some serious holding power due to changed cam angles from a misaligned axle? Might that "disturb" you?

you are totaly missing my point. and you know it. gear as we know it now was invented at a time when climbing was persued in a different way than it is today. I think that if you want to spend your day hang dogging on active pro then maybe you aught to engienier a kind of pro that is desinged to hand dog on. not pro that was designed in case of a fall... (not because you are going to fall on that crux 4 times before you can wire the move) I have seen a shodily placed yellow alien hold just fine. but that was one of very few falls that piece had ever seen, likely has seen to this day. how many falls had the piece that blew seen? you tell me? was it commen for this climber to push above his climbing limit and tork out so hard he had to place the pice and down climb to rest inorder to make the move through the crux? and if so perhaps he aught to spend more time climbing at his level. we all want pices to hold but the fact of the sport is it is fucking dangerouse. if it were safe it would be hocky think again Rumr you will see there is logic in what i am saying and it is not just muffy logic. we put gear in for the same reason most of us waare a seat belt or a helmet. just in case we fall it gives us better odds than nothing at all. most people do not put on a seat belt and think to them selves "well i have my seat belt on now i am going to ram my car into the next brick wall i see. I will be fine, i have my seat belt on." it gives us a chance to continue to live where otherwise we would have no hope. I have never ever read any garentee on any peice of gear anywehre that has said it will make climbing safe. that philosophy of yours will limit you...ie, you can't work something at your limit if you can't pound on the gear...that is great that you've seen a "shodily placed alien" hold...whatever, the point remains that if i place a piece that i deem to be able to hold a fall (whether its one, two or a hundred) the piece better hold or i got some serious issues with the design. An analogy is when i click my seatbelt in, i expect the seat belt to remain fastened. big duh there. and your thoughts about hang dogging and cams not going together is total bullshit...the guy who INVENTED the cams was one of the first doggers in the valley and his express purpose for inventing friends was to get on cracks that were cutting edge at the time (some still are pretty stiff) and he WORKED the shit out of those routes...you wanna argue some more? Or do you wanna go out and climb some choss pile that you KNOW you aren't gonna fall on and if maybe you do the gear "might" hold????? it must be great to operate in a world running on "muff logic"!

I totally agree...one possibility is that CCH doesn't have the frickin' axle in the right place...

muffy, then why put gear in, why not solo? That is about the dumbest thing short of something flyingpig and his girlfriend kevboned would say... Personally, if i place something i expect the fucking thing to work...

looks like maybe user-error, but still weird, especially coupled with the recent paradise forx deal... aliens!

listen...i have limited tools to work with here...i'm doin' the best i can...sheesh...

according to her, she doesn't like you at all... yeah, i bet you hear "ha ha ha" everytime you walk down the street...

blah, blah is the sound that we all hear when RuMR post on this site. bah ha ha bah ha ha is the sound that RuMR hears when he's getting it on with his partner (also known as screwing a sheep). RuMR had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb then he licked his hand again and had alittle moore. now that's funny. actually, I heard "ha ha ha ha" from your girl last night when we were discussing your little nutsack/unit...

Man, you are like a total whiz kid, aren't ya?

"bly by" is the sound flyingtool makes when kevboned is havin' his way with him (also known as thrunting)

dude...you have a five year old daughter and you crack a joke like this? WTF is the matter with you, you twisted fuck...

In the future, you should warn folks if you plan a Mounties-style siege of a narrow road with your minivan convoy. You know, post on cc.com, mountie's board, craigslist.... due dilligence. That's about 8 minutes of my life I'll never get back. whatever pox...you need to take a chill pill...