3erden where in teh fuck do you ice climb that you have the luxury of climbign 50 ft to the left or right of another party...that would be a 100 ft wide waterfall...not too many of those around...that is jsut unreasonable...if you are too slow and dont have the melons to climb underneath someone else i suggest you go ice climb at cascade crags... casue i WILL pass you whether you like it or not...if you are jeopardizing my safety cause you are slow...i will pass