scott_harpell

Uhm. Mabe you haven't read all the posts, but I already have. Even in the one preceeding this one, I gave no excuse nor backing for the current administration.

JB... your link reiterates what sexy cocoa and I have been pointing out for the last 20 posts; both administrations proven war mongers willing to lie to appease their desire to go to war. Are you debating this?

More civilians were killed with the high altitude bombings (which the clinton admin. used to prevent american casualties) than in Iraq. Food for thought.

Well Matt. Some say that the only reason we sided against the Serbians is for the mining resource. This valued at $5 billion. I don't really by that, but I do feel that if anything, an outsiders role should have been as a peace keeper rather than taking sides (essentially) with a known terrorist group (KLA). I am not a conservative, but I see my beef with this being that both of these wars were fought: 1) Based on lies 2) We stood too gain natural resources 3) We stepped into a religious conflict 4) The presidents both based their decisions on political allies (Bush-Blair, Clinton- Allbright) and 5) both people in power were given ridiculous treaties to sign to avoid getting their coutries ripped apart. Milosevic was given the more ridiculous of the two, baisically devoiding the sovereingty of his nation and opening the door for the Albanians to begin to take over. Simply out, I feel that if one is to condone one of these wars, then they should condone the other.

Matt, If you want to know more google the KLA. They were a terrorist group of Albanians which were trying to take over Kosovo for the Albanians. It is not merely a case of The Serbian government attempting genocide. Many Albanians were slaughtered by other Albanians. Much of this conflict can be based on religious issues. The serbians were persecuted by the ottomans for centuries. Now that orthodox serbians were being "invaded" by the "ottomans" once again, they fought back. This is their version. The truth, as always, lies somewhere in the middle. Albright was teh first person to put all of the blame on Milosevic. NATO then said they would air-strike if the serb military was not pulled out. Milosevic said he would do so, but only if they rescinded the statement about the air strikes. NATO said they wouldn't and the KLA assumed that this meant that NATO was on their side. The KLA then revamped their miltary in Kosovo and that is when everythig really went south.

Yeah, When I lived there as a kid, there were 3 wheeled cars. When I went back, there weren't as many. Funny looking things though.

ditto

They are both horrible presidents who lied to the public to start a war for economic and political reasons rather than the humanitarian ones they so adamntly claim. What I am countering is the democrats here that are not willing to see that there are correlations.

Hey Greg! What about Kerry?

Yes it st. It is VERY small.

Those things are sooo tiny. There are shit loads in Holland. I imagine 2 moderately strong men could move one by hand.

Hmm... Clinton had nothing to gain by lying about MOnica or Kosovo? What about the instantaneous poll increase? What about taking the people's minds off of the oval office scandal? You don't think that their were not economic reasons in Kosovo either? Mabe you should look at the fact taht Kosovo has the largest deposit of (i think it is) lead and zinc (?). This mine was owned by the ethnic minority. The serbians! Not the Albanians. This was taken over by NATO and was mined using U.S. tax dollars. Hmm... Mabe there was something to gain.

I don't think the negative aspects of war stop with american deaths. What about the high altitue bombing raids that killed many civilians? You state that a bad guy is gone and a better government is in place. Is that not waht is happening now in Iraq? Do you debate that Saddam was bad? Time will tell if the rest will be accomplished.

Oh and will do!

Why? Who the hell cares what he climbs? He has fun. Yer such a little bitch. Why is everything about numbers? I have fun climbing 5.7 thank you very much. Climbing isn't everything kiddo. I just like being outside and I do lots of outdoor activities. No-one has to prove themselves to you by climbing hard.

Yep. That's me. 6'3" 180... total lardo.

Damn midgets are tempermental!

Pshh... Midgets.

Eat a dick boulder boi!

Mabe Clinton lied about Kosovo because starting a war has traditionally helped presidents in their polls (look at Bush's during the begining of the occupation). It i not hard for one to see the possibility that if he did not lie about Monica, there might be no Kosovo. Really, if there were no 100,000 dead Albanians, why else would we have gone over there?

I wonder if you are the idiot sir. You state that no-one died when Clinton lied. Is this a true statement? Might I also just point you in the direction of looking at both the time of the Monica scandal and the timing of the Kosovo conflict? Mabe that would shed some light on who he idiot is. Wow! that lie doesn't seem so harmless now does it!?!

I don't think you are partisan because you are against the Iraqui conflict, but rather because you lambast Bush for doing the same thing that was done in the previous term by Clinton whom you seem to be defending with your previous auto-sig. I think they are both pig fuckers as they both lied to start a war that served their best interests.