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goddammit, scuppered on the way to morgan freeman joke! but anyhow, it always seems appropriate: "wise sir, do not grieve it is always better to avenge dear ones then to indulge in mourning for every one of us living in this world means waiting for our end let he who can achieve glory before death when a warrior is gone that will be his best and only bulwark"

certainly not all that promising in camas - had an hour to take a walk in the woods around lake lacamas before an evening meeting and the lake was untouched, the waterfall off the dam purely innocent - no wind in camas though, but the forecast shows it howling at beacon?

hardly, climbing partners are worth their weight in gold-pressed latnum when the ice forms for the 2 days a year we seem to average in these parts

i know all your spray g-spots, esse it might shock you to learn though that i've...like...you know...never actually killed anybody

Yes, we've already seen how you guys do it. chinese communists acted no different than the chinese autocrats before them - as the american tradition, with all its warts, hasn't been prone to killings its citizens willy-nilly (well, the white ones at least) i'm pretty certain we can get us some gubimint healthcare w/o resorting to the gulag or the death-camp it is a mighty fine bugabo to try to pin on the other side when your position is weapons-grade retarded though

healthcare should be universal and paid for by government which funds itself through taxes, not premiums to private companies

weren't you the feller floating pictures of unicorns the other page? reality is, you get two choices in this here country. should i have had more faith in mickey-caine n' bible-spice?

so....how's it going in gorge-world?

how many of the 61% who disapprove of the law favored the old status quo i wonder? you're a tard-tard if you think anybody here is a raging o-care fan as...uh...nobody (?) has said they prefer it over single payer?

KISMET

muir on sunday ain't got shit to be scared of yet heard them blazers had themselves a bit of a hot-streak going - how'd that turn out?

true, i got them birds, but the next chicken that wakes me up at 530 in the morning WILL have to weather a double-barreled shotgun blast to the head though

cigs shouldn't be banned, but clearly the days of my youth when they were practically free was So Big retard. the main problem i see w/ a huge increase in the sin tax is that, at some point, you create fertile ground for a black-market to arise. there has to be some sweet point before that problem becomes too big, but yet still you achieve a combination of disincentivizing smokers and paying to treat them when (or if, shit, like the stats say, there's plenty of granola-eaters getting kilt in their cars) it all goes bad

indeed, for a man who fears Big Gubimint micro-managing our freedoms, where do you see the rabbit-hole of deciding which human behaviors deserve coverage or not hits bottom? hot chicks have to pay ten times higher premiums b/c they're 10X more likely to get the clap? no coverage for donut-fans? no covering tendon-pulls nor rectal sores for gay sport climbers? at any rate, the big boozers, bastards, brawlers n' butt-smokers i've known over the years are/were inveterate doctor-haters and don't generally use any of the services they pay for in their youth and usually accept death pretty rapidly when it wanders their way in the form of cancer, heart-failure, etc.

on a more serious note, have you tried buying a pack of cigarettes in the libturd fantasy world of england, canada or france?

hey, fairweather's threatening my life! isn't that a Baninatible offense!?!?

i only chain-smoke when putting Capitalist Fat-Cats against the wall for Special Attention - the rest of the time i just bullshit about chain-smoke'n, so i oughta be alright

holy shit it's getting cold in that thare gorge

nah, i'm forever channeling good'ole walt kurtz - i feel no need to judge (the requisite 1st step in hating), just to kill

indeed, they did a most excellent job advocating for the status quo, which was crap. they have no better proposal though b/c they have no soul and see working people as glorified bunny rabbits: needing to be fruitful and multiply, consume as much as possible, then die ASAP.

i've never tried to traipse back there in february, but might could be game to make a big raging party out of it - send me a pm mayhap when yer in the mood? i could probably scrounge up some other socio-paths to make a proper affair of the whole thign

Sounds like you're getting milked by your insurance company. They loves them some high health care costs. HELLOOoo....This is Obamacare, Washington State version. I'm getting milked by your program! Geeez, you guys really don't have any clue, do you. the point, dear sir, is that, as gene says, it could be done much more cheaply via single payer as so many nations have shown, but the political reality, as of 2009-10, was that, if we wanted to do anything about the old shitty status quo (denial of coverage/service for those w/ pre-existing conditions and even those w/o perhaps, copay/deductible schemes that ensured medical bankruptcy whenever you got badly sick/hurt, no coverage or thoroughly worthless coverage for a big # of working poor, etc) we had to have this insurance-company blowjob hybrid that is obamacare. no republican, then or now (or indeed, ever), was going to vote for any species of reform, if for no other reason than it had obama-cooties all over it (thus the name), and plenty enough democrats are corporate whores too and they weren't going to do anything unless the proper palms were greased. christ, the public option, the best compromise it seemed to be for those who wanted a private market and lots of choices, and quiet far from a universal single payer system, was dead-as-dillinger on arrival - didn't even get serous consideration. the choice was status quo or ACA, absolute shit or shit of unknown dimensions. our nation's historical retard-genius for fixing problems has been half-assed solutions, usually so shitty they goaded the machine eventually, after bitter experience, into something better. best case, obamacare as written does work and makes even you and yours happy. the case i'll live w/ though is not unlike the whiskey-junkie who goes on a coke-binge and only at the bitter end of it all realizes there's a 3rd, better, option: coffee obamacare, if it doesn't work, will hopefully lead sane folks to realize the best thing to do is ditch the shitty corporate-approved compromise and try the model of our northern neighbors and euro-friends. sounds like i'm paying the same amount now for my insurance (single earner w/ a family 4 though) as you, and if it's of any value, i sure would like to be paying less.

nope, but would love to know, via pm if'n yer one of them that likes to keep secrets off the interwebs - i got a wicked detailed topo awhile back that made it look like there's a seperate entrance that gets you into a "firecracker cave" that connects, but it seems you could get there from the regular way by throwing a toe-line through the upper roof and dragging up a regular line that could then be fixed to the floor? sounds fine in theory, so wouldn't mind hearing some more refined details

please stop making sense you were right the first time too - for a frightening big chunk of this body politic, patriotism IS not giving a shit about anybody but you and yours

yup, nothing more tyranical n' undemocratic than trying to get afforadable healthcare for everybody