CleeshterFeeshter

Best damn thing to happen to NASCAR was Ernhardt's (however the fuck you spell his name)death. Sheeit, I would have paid $10 to go to Daytona to laugh at all those sorry redneck fucks and see him bite it. Better yet, They need to start racing those penis envying F-250 and F-350's drivin fecal matter for brains drivers. I would pay at least $15 to see a bunch of those crash and burn.

I did an International Law research project on transboundary pollution (acid rain). For every well researched scientific project discussing the existence and effects of acid rain;there were two projects (written by prostitutes) financed by the Western Fuels Association that said that it did not exist or if it did that it was good for us. This depsite the fact that rains were showing up in the NE USA wiht ph balances of 3.7 The point being that it is worthless to argue good science with the enemy. Every revolution needs it politcal thinkers, its financiers, and it bomb throwers. Nothing wrong with supporting the Kyoto treaty, paying membership to the Sierra Club or Nature Conservancy or killing the enemy. The American revolution had to start somewhere with gunshots.

Methane is the really nasty greenhouse gas- lots worse than CO or CO2. If we just put buttplugs in all the cattle and cc.com sprayers; the world would be a much cooler and happier place.

Juan, I did the North Ridge in late July 97. Partner and I had to do some serious crevasse negotiating right around where the roman nose connects at the bottom. climbed down into two crevasses to access the ridge/ramp leading up to ridge. That was probably the crux. Nice route though, maybe one of the best days in the mountain. You can climb the ridge proper or stray a little to the left and go up and over the ice cliff near the Coleman headwall. I agree with the previous post, North Ridge of Baker gives a good big mtn feel without the committment. You may want to have your running belays with pickets tuned in if the ridge is not icy.

I am tellin ya, The Vulgarians had a "Vulgariphone" that let out 150 decibel flatulence. They used it on the Grand Teton at the lower saddle in the summer in the 60's. I think it was some sort of 10" diameter type PVC pipe that they filled the botton with lighter fluid or something. They could hear gasses being expelled down in Jackson. I am thinking that we could put RMI and the mounties out of business if we hang out at Muir or show up at scheduled mounties climbs and let it ripp

Kill the People and burn the villagedrop some Napalm on the squareDo it on this Easter MorningAs the poeple go to Prayer Aim some cruise Missilesat the school yardListen as the teacher rings the bellListen to the joy and the laughterJust prior to the children burning to hell

Newby to Rainier- HMMM- how about Curtis Ridge? or the Willis Wall in June?

No, They are more like zeolite that is cleansing the downwind radioactive and toxic blizzard of errant behavior.

OK Lizard Brain- here is the definitive answer on Liability waivers Vodopest v MacGregor, 128 Wn. 2d 840 (1996)- A Release (liability waiver) signed by a personal injury plaintiff prior to the injury is not always valid. This case was heard in the Washington State Supreme and quite wildly involved a waiver for someone on a climbing trek to Mt Everest. After arriving on Nepal, Vodopest began to suffer from AMS and developed cerebral edema resulting in permanent brain damage. Although Vodopest is based on unusual facts, it is an example of the State Court's willingness to ignore a clearly worded release to afford an injured person a potential recovery. Now you may ask "Cleeshter, why do they even have these waivers ?( RMI, AAI, MM, High School Football). The waivers are incredible psychological weapons against a participant from filing a claim/suit. It warns the participant that the activity may be dangerous and the risks involved beforehand and discourages a claim.

Miker, here are some liability thoughts on a home climbing wall: -most Homeowner's type policies carry a Comprehensive Family Liability (CFL) limit of either $100K or $300K that would cover you for incorrect design,incorrect belaying, stupidity,hold breaking etc for someone else's injury or death. - Having someone sign a waiver does not protect you against negligence caused by you- courts have generally held that waivers of liability are contrary to public policy ( that goes for RMI and the other guide services) - essentially, as long as you have some sort of CFL,Umbrella, or CGL type of policy- I would not worry at all. In fact, just the opposite, I would encourage my climbing buddies to break their ass at my house so that they could score a good settlement off my homeowners policy.

Kautz- later season the chute/compression zone right next to the ice fall can give a pitch or two of tasty alpine ice. Earlier season, great glissade from Hazard all the way down to Nisqually- you can decend something like 4K feet in about 30 minutes Make sure you have the location of the top of the chute pegged (GPS or Wands) when descending from summit

Goats have a predator response (if they have not been neutered). When they see you from a distance- they will make eye contact and approach head first maintianing eye contact. Lions and tigers and bears,oh my, typically find this very disconcerting and do not screw with a healthy billy. Just do not antagonize them or act agressive and they will typically leave you alone.

Erik, You need to let go of your strict Christian values. These are holding you back. The path to climbing enlightenment is in the middle ground. You have created these expectations for face climbing and when they are not met; you have pain and suffering and mental anguish. You need to surrender to those things that you can not control. ie, a cold wet day in a pot smoke filled camp Muir hut is better than any day that has ever existed in the toxic blizzard of the east coast or Texas. If you think postive thoughts about face climbing, then it will come to you in a dream and you will flash that which earlier burdened you.

Country Jake, sorry bout that last post. I was thinking that I was still in spray.

This tree hugger will spike your tree, then burn your SUV, Put a NATO SS109 in your head and come over and skull f--ck your head wound. Then I will wear your blood stained gore tex to keep me dry!

Dat roosther fuck aint sheeit. Tyrhone gunna dhrive dhe 77 o-ver n guuna slyde dah meet n mkae im a hin.

My plan last summer worked like this. 1.Hated the company- built a "War File" a war file is documenting your employers bad faith dealings- bad customer service-improper accounting, etc, racial profiling, etc,etc 2. Quit working-call in sick a lot- complain of stress- make the company fire you; however, suggest a "negotiated severance" prior to termination 3. Upon termination, discuss your severance and the existence of the war file. 4. Get roommates to pay the mortgage Hell, last year I took off from March thru August and between unemployment comp, roommate income, and severance package- I was making more than when I worked- It just takes some planning

Payaso, I have been to that hell! It is known as the "cubicle" level and Dante made a special prophetic reference to it. It is that place where one sells one soul in oder to pay the mortgage, the cable TV bill, the broadband cable bill, the SUV payment, you then are forced into a 1.3hr commute (each way) at high speeds on I-5. You are allowed Alpine dreams;however, it rains every weekend thus dashing your plans- wait a minute- I left Seattle

Rock & Ice had this specific topic in an article about 3-4 years ago using readily available numbers (like those that attempt Rainier and register at National Parks to climb). The article essentially said the same thing; that climbing is mostly safe with lower accident statistics than many other sports. Many insurance policies contain "dangerous pursuits" exclusions but fail to identify climbing specifically. If one dies whilst climbing, the beneficiaries may need a good actuary and attorney to further research the numbers if the claim is denied.

erikrone- sheeit gurlfren- y yo tryin 2 thro salt n muy game. Boyzeee iz da hohme uv rig-n-al boyz n da woodz. Tahkome brutha theenk dat he duh sheeeit cuz he kan chizzel muy azz on dah wurld wide wazzup. yo b theenkin dat cuz u kan buss sum capz at my brutha's n Takome n go push up dat mountin Rainnear n same day dat u deh sheeeit.

I think the Brits call him "Ghastly Rubberfat" Bivvies rule! There are trips where taking the bivvy seriously cuts down on the tent weight and volume and enable one to travel fast and light

Business ethics has always been a tough one to digest. This thread originally discussed use of Slave labor by OP. As I posted in another thread, the reason for manufacturing leaving Amerika is not limited to labor costs. Transfer taxes, transportation costs, energy costs, etc, etc all make Amerika more or less competitive. Once we realize that the ballot box is the opiate of the middle class; then we will have true revolution toward a social conscience. At this point in time,95% of Amerikans are essentially stupid and do not give a crap that their SUV petro dollars fund terrorism ( 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were from Saudia Arabia but you do not hear Bush calling the Saudis as the "axis of evil" ) We individually can support those companies that pay their taxes, dont pollute, manufacture quality locally- it is up to us.

Sheeeit brutha's - u gotza da aidz yo brane n yo lungz gonna splode. Wassup wiff yo blo monkee azzes. Cleeshter mo dee gunna cum up 2 dah norf po n get sum- sheeeit

Not all bad things come from Boulder- Hell, Bibler tents used to be made there. Regarding OP's ethics, Me thinks they are probably in the middle somewhere of the business spectrum. They could have taken the manufacturing to Mexico (or offshore) and made a beener for $3.00 (OP of Mexico,Inc) whom then sold it to OP of Amerika, Inc for $6.00. OP Amerika,Inc sells it to you the consumer for $6.01 - OP Amerika then reports only $.01 profit to the IRS and essentially evades/avoids all taxes (this is known as transfer accounting). Almost all major corporation in Amerika have set ups like this (OP of Mexico, Inc's financial records would not be subject to review by the IRS) Toyota paid less than a million in US taxes last year. At least using slave labor keeps the value added manufacturing in the states

Prison Labor?Climbing boyz and girlz, what do you think you are? At either end of the Social Economic Spectrum lies a leisure class. I do not know of too many climbers in PNW that are named Gates or Allen. We are all worker bees trying to pay the man so he dont come and kill us. OP rules. Those workers at OP could all unite and overthrow the fascist state of Washington. The Elves would know what to do!