IceIceBaby

I just got the Blackice Rpidfix and the antibot from thinkmountain.com for $120 took 2 days to arrive. I will post my opinion once I have done good mileage in them Thanx for the input

I dont know, I heard that light is right any way now that we can just girth hitch the sling to the BINER… I don’t see any need for more then 50 on my rack so Im selling my old ones for an all u can eat Shoney's dinner

I will get my head chew up for posting this one But I think that u should present the question along these lines A person that weight 165lb with a backpack that weight 30lb ascending 5242 vertical feet's on a course of 18 miles given that on a flat surface average person with 45lb backpack will do 4 m/h and every 1000 feet will take additional 1 hour how long will it take him to approach Chimney Rock [ 03-21-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ]

Ok,Look at this for what it is a fundraising for a climbing trip also I have adjusted the price of the BINERS so now I can go and [ 03-21-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ]

quote: Originally posted by miker: So what do ya want for em? I'll give you a buck each. This is like ebay right, the highest bid wins?? But seriously, how used are they and what are you expecting for the 36 biners? miker They are used but never abused (no rippers or big leader falls)Actually the Quicksilver ones never left my house so they brand new if u interested click the hyper link on the beginning of the post and make your decision whether you want to bid or use the buy it now feature

Its quit understandable that Brian from splitter gear will act the way he did after the warm welcome we gave him… All that aside I think that manufactures that need to know the market pulse and should invest more of their time in forms like cascade climbers.com and less on giving some Jo gear to test and publish a bias review.In here is where the market is and in here is where opinion matter obviously it will be a majority decision on what works and what not and we can launch or destroy reputation of any manufacture or retailer. I think that slowly they started to realize it and pay more attention to the "word on the street" and the best thing of all it is free for them I just don’t see why they don't take full advantage on this post [ 03-21-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ]

comon buy my binners

I need new crampons; I want them in new-matic/Rapid fix binding I am looking at Charlet Moser Black Ice Charlet Moser S12 Grivel 2F Grivel G12 I was wondering any recommendations pro con on the above also should I look at other binding system.I do have the Sabretooth I just do not like the affect that it limited to front and back bail bootsI also do not want to fumble with Scottish strap system either [ 03-21-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ]

quote: Originally posted by allison: The only reason I broght up the whole prison labor thing in the first place is that it's nice to know these things when making informed choices as consumers. All I am doing by not buying OP products is exercising my rights as a consumer. I choose not to buy goods made by prisoners. I am not going to try and convert people to my way of thinking on this. Allison,Thank you for clearing that it is your opinion only and god bless u for that.Now that we clear that there is no violation of civil/amnesty rights/laws in employing inmates, we can consternate on quality and product value of OP with the prisoners labor fact been benign AHHH……What was the question?? [ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ]

quote: Originally posted by erik: and neri....the prison is minimum security....so i doubt these people/prisners are a real threat most society. [ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: erik ] So as the IRS will put it: To teach, rehabilitate and make sure that they wont be repeated offenders that might harm u physically or monetarily

Michael Lane,Thank you for your post and maybe this will help to keep things clear on this post.Now maybe the “philanthropists” will understand what you’re company representing I like and do buy your gear keep up the good work [ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ]

3 Weeks and not a peep from cham3s I wonder if they took my money and run. couple of email and not one answered which make me very worried if I been conned out of my money

quote: Originally posted by erik: the question that arises for me, is what benefit do the people/tax payer of washington state get???? are we not paying to house these people??? and they are being used/working for a private industry..........i imagine some or most of their profits (prisinors) goes to pay restitution to their victems??? and i dont like op stuff........just my opinion Giving then vacation from society and preventing them from doing more harm to you I guess your freedom and right to exist cost some money creamed from your salary

quote: Originally posted by slothrop: Why would you want to hold your axe with the pick forward for self-belay, anyway? If things are spooky enough that you're having to self-belay, isn't that all the more reason to be ready to whip out the self-arrest quickly? I would like to hear you saying this at the end of the day after 10,000 thrusts and plunges to neve or any other form of stiff hard snow and ice [ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ]

quote: Originally posted by JoeTool: I'm not going to reply for allison but here is some info:http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~kastor/private/privatize.html http://www.igc.org/lpa/lpv24/lp3.htm JoeTool,I just dont understand why u use this as supportive document I didn’t see any reputable, creditable and objective institution behind itJust look who is the publisher of the Article . It seems that it is an article written by very angry person that might as well was or is an inmate himself [ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ]

quote: Originally posted by allison: They used to be made with prison labor, not sure if they are anymore, but I don't like that and consequently have not bought any. They also had a recall a few years back for defective 'biners.... quote: Originally posted by allison: Uh, it has less to do with "prisoners making stuff" and more to do with "not being made by people working under acceptable labor standards." Allison,[*]Look at my reply to Dru regarding inmate rights[*]On another note you might going to be interested in this BDNo one is immune to production defects and the more strict the standard the more u will see this kind of action from any given manufacture in any industry even allot more sophisticated then climbing gear manufactures Remember the DC-10 airplanes… [ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ]

quote: Originally posted by Dru: Just for Neri Prison labor is all about the lack of choice. The prisoners dont get to choose to be hired by Omega. They get, well, not exactly forced, but... Hey, where does the lineup for organ transplants from Chinese prisoners start anyways? All this booze is wrecking my kidneys, I could use a new pair... Dru and Allison OK I will bite...[*]I just don’t see the connection between the final product comparing to any given similar product, to the way its been labored. [*]The person who post here originally ask for a product performance comparing and not labor ethical facts.[*]My opinion is:If labor will decrease in-jail violence, supply a time consuming occupation (remember the phrase "doing time") and will increase self worth in environment that been created for a sole purpose of suppressing the individual and his rights, all power to them.Now let's see… How a prisoner become one? A) by doing society a grand favor B) by committing a crime against society In order to punish a violators we should A) let them keep their freedom and treat them as an average citizen with all their rights B) take away their right and freedom and start the rehabilitation process with the prisoner paying his dues to society I think that this sum my opinion on the subject [ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ]

quote: Originally posted by freeclimb9: Hyperbole.Try critical thinking for a change, dude: Girth hitching reduces runner strength by up to 30%. Okay, so you started with 25kN for sewn Spectra, and now you're down to 17kN with a girth hitch. The strongest Stopper swage is 10kN. Guess what might be the first thing to fail when pulling on a girth-hitched Stopper? If this doesn't convince you, then consider that manufacturers have sewn slings to wires without in-use falures occurring (Smiley's for example). I've so much bullshit in this thread, I'm fucking amazed. It seems clear that many people climb with little idea of the limitations of their gear despite all the available information (even information that they quote). If you folks want to worry about stupid stuff, read the AAC's "Accidents in North American Mountaineering" so you'll realize what actually results in accidents. Gear failure is extremely rare, but can occur when the fall factor (Fall Factor = Length of Fall / Length of Rope [or runner]) is high. I'll continue to girth hitch gear when I'm running low on carabiners high on a pitch (or linking slings together to form a longer one), and I won't be worrying about a sling getting cut or melting. rant's over . . . I think u assume that the sling are brand new and dry and the day is beautiful and you in the best shape physically basically optimistic conditions, and u strongly believing in that...(I hope u will never be proven otherwise)I don't know about u, but my approach to placing pro is very pessimistic and expecting the worst I also rather carrying a little more binners then too little (but aiming for exact) I like to stack the odds to my favor

quote: Originally posted by danielpatricksmith: that rubbed me the wrong way. And again...The question on hand was how the performance and value of OP is compare to the market average Not...you're personal sentimental preference [ 03-20-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ]

I think we drifting here to labor laws and hypothetical ethical debates(what I call "blowing wind"), and totally missing the point Op gear is great, as long that u don’t mind a thicker binner with larger nose (just visually compare OP wiregate nose or regular nose to BD, Kong or DMM). It could be some time a pain (clipping bolts, pitons etc…) and they tend to be on the heavy side but they are awesome value

quote: Originally posted by Zenolith: My shipping on skis and poles was $25, that's 5 days longer and $25 cheaper than skis from T-P. Yeah man,But did u see their most recent shipping fees structure hardly there is any item below 50 Euro that is about $45 pretty steep in my book While on the average everybody else charges 30% less [ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ]

quote: Originally posted by imorris: Indeed, and it used to have that cool option of working as a shovel handle too but they seem to have stopped that idea, unfortunately. I thought that was a nice solution, and it was tough to break. I still have the BD shovel and it works with the raven as well

Ivan,Get some of my binners and save the hospital/funeral bill it’s allot more expensive so here you go 12 Black Diamond Quicksilver and Enduro 12 Black Diamond Light D 12 Black Diamond Light D climb safe [ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: IceIceBaby ]

Dru FYI, Kong was the first to introduce the wiregate to the climbing community if I’m not mistaking back in the 60’s And in the late 90’s BD resurrected them with massive marketing campaign talking sense to people

quote: Originally posted by MysticNacho: I could get a bunch of new biners for $5 each.Nacho,In your case it will be including the down payment for guiding fees