Dave_Schuldt

Not again! Kansas went through a similar thrash several years ago. The international media picked up on it making the board of education look realy bad. Businesses threatend to move out of state because they were concerned about about atracting qualified people. The proposed changes were dropped.

Climb: Davis Peak, Salmon la Sac-Summer Trail Date of Climb: 2/31/2004 Trip Report: Jeff Hansel, pms, JoshK and I went up there yesterday. I had hiked it twice and thought it wouuld make a good ski. It was better than I expected. Most of the way up and down is on a forested ridge with glades. Good lookiinng runs up high where the old fire lookkout was. Only bummer is a bit of brush down low, the snowmo road and parking area. Snow park permiit required. $20 a year or day passes can be purchased online. May want to bring gas mask, the snomo fumes gave Josh a headache.

Waycool, a good way to get firewood and help climbers at the same time.

Steve, you should start a side buiness selling hangover cures, then people could drink more of your beer.

Enough to ski on, could use another foot or 2. Some crazy dudes came down through the woods.

ANY SURVIVIORS?????????????? ANYONE GET ARESTED???????????? ANY COMPRAMISING PHOTOS???????? WAKE UP WITH SOMEONE WHO YOU DON'T KNOW??????????

I have also given up on those strechy green rubber things on the tips. I've seen them rip and they get stuck when you try to go over dips or get through tree wells in the spring. And no mater how big your skins are it's well worth stuffing them down your shirt, it melts any ice or snow. This is very true when it's realy cold. If it's above freezing I don't bother.

Tail clips, if they are too tight, will make the skin peel. I have never used them. Put your skins down yor shirt while skiing down.

........IS A TOTALY WORTHLESS EVENT. DISCUSS OR SHOULD I SAY SPRAY.

An avatar of scott harpel? I was wrong it's trask!!!!!! he just couldn't stay away.

Great article. Do we have any right wing religious people on this board?

Jolly has great views alright....of the snowmos. I am interested in doing Davis peak, its in the same area, a bit north and west of Jolly. You will need a snow park permit, it's required for the parking lot as well as along the road. I think you can get a 1 day permit To do Davis you will need to ski with the snowmos for about 1/2 mile. Then you cross the river on a foot bridge and head up. Going all the way to the sumiit would be scarry, however, the woods look great. I have hiked it twice. PM me with your #.

Just show, no one will care.

Relax minx, things are fine around here..... Just ignore the cry babies.

Is Rodger still running the show out there? He's way cool.

Cavie = son of trask!

Yes that was us.. Next time go to the upper left corner of the clear cut and aim for the rock outcroping. The north side is exposed to east windss and gets crusty. Anything sheltered from the wind was awsome. Pictures came out great.

They are off the Smith Brook road, north of Lictenburg. From Skyline ridge they would be northeast.

Jove peak is a great ski too.

Climb: Arowhead Peak-Usual Date of Climb: 1/25/2004 Trip Report: ken "treeshredder" 4ord and I ripped it today. Did 3 runs off the south side towards White Pine Creek. Great glade skiiing. Didn't go all the way down to the creek because the trees got thicker. Will do some more exploring soon. Gear Notes: Rando skies and split board. Approach Notes: skied up logging road.

Damn that was funny, had me cracking up. So Dave when are we gonna ride there? Sounds like a great place to ride. Whenever you think you can out ride the bullits!

When your down by the creek it's realy hard to figure out where to head up. Try to falow where the trail goes, it's safe. If you thihk things are stable you can rip the half pipe guly on the way down. Don't take the ridge on the west side of the creek, it has a bunch of bumps. It's a great ski, let us know how it goes. Also heard that Been Creek has some good stuff. I have looked at it in the summer and it looks cool.

Do you think the road is clear of snow far enough in? I have skied Earl a few times in the spring when the road is mostly melted out. Good tours back there.

Found this on an MTB listserve Yea, I love to ride the Blue Mountain Loop in Sultan. I'll continue to ride it, despite the target practice going on. The reason I'll ride it is that I don't really feel threatened by the target shooters. At least, not yet, but all it takes is one idiot to shoot a target across the road, and, oops. Which isn't to say that I support what is going on, just that I am neutral on the subject. What I hate is the litter and destruction of the environment that they leave behind. Where you park to start the loop, about 200 yards further down the road is an area used by paintball enthusiasts. They have ranges on both sides of the road. My company sponsored an outing there a few years ago, and none of the games allowed for crossing the road to shoot. However, I did see a number of people shoot paintballs from the road onto nearby trees. Supposedly, the paint is biodegradable, but you decide. Some of the paintball guns have a rapid fire mechanism, so if you don't know that it is just a paintball gun, it could be very scary if you mistake the sound for automated real guns. Which isn't to say that paintball is completely fake of a gun, getting hit on unprotected skin does leave welts on you, and would be very bad if it hit your face, it could blind you. About mountain biking. As you reach the summit of Blue Mountain, there are three spots that have breathtaking views. Just incredible, anybody who is detracted by the logging road nature of this loop or the guns, is missing out on some of the best views I've seen, notably in the direction of Spada lake. At the summit, these views are somewhat spoiled if you look down at your feet. Thousands of empty bullet casings. A few pits from camp fires, some empty beer bottles and cans. This is my biggest concern, if people are firing from the summit, where do the bullets go? As you finish descending from the view, at the junction where the fire road meets the paved road, there is an unofficial firing range. Again, quite the mess. But at least the bullets fly away from the road, not towards a trail, and I am not worried about getting shot there, even though I've seen people shooting as I come off the mountain. Finally, as you ride the paved road back to your car, there are several spots where people just pull off and shoot. The ride back on the paved road is mostly downhill, so I enjoy the speed and never slow down to look at the mess that might be there. My take on this is that shooting enthusiasts are ruining their ability to have a free target range. If they just cleaned up their casings, and removed their targets, and shot only their targets, this would not have become the issue that it is. That is going to be their loss, to them. From a MTB perspective, I won't allow it to spoil my fun. I've considered taking a garbage bag to clean up the casings from the summit, but not sure if that is in my best interest. After all, if they leave the mess, perhaps they will get run out of the place so I can ride my bike in peace. They're only doing it to themselves, I'm not helping them ruin their public image by not cleaning up their mess. Nah, they'll still be there even if unauthorized. Despite the mess they leave, they've always been polite to me, even very friendly as they admire someone that is on top of that summit with a bike (remember, they too appreciate the outdoors, even if they are too lazy as to clean up, and hopefully not everyone with a gun is acting without a conscience). I don't know exact numbers, but I would imagine if I were doing target practice, 200 rounds fired would be a good day. How difficult is it to pick up 200 shell casings that are lying near your feet? I assume the area is covered in snow right now, but when it melts, I'd be happy to take anyone there. Just remember, it is a challenging but doable climb. OK, done talking about Blue Mountain. What sucks about the situation is that gunfire may be scaring off the trailbuilders. After all, if I were building a new trail, I wouldn't spend countless hours building a trail where I have to listen to the sound of gunfire. But as a user of trails, I would still go there.

found this on another site. http://www.suwa.org/entry.php?entry_id=484 REI is hosting a presentation by guidebook writer Steve Allen on Thursday Feb 5 at 7pm in the Seattle store, among other locations. $5 Donation.