Fairweather

This is total bullshit, Jim. You admitted your wife entered the teaching system after coming over from another career. Do you really expect your wife would receive a full pension for slightly more than half tenure? As you know, pensions typically follow a geometric curve that heavily favors the later years. It is safe to assume this too was part of your wife's calculus when she changed careers. Why complain about it now? Will she collect a pension from her former career? Again, if so, your complaint is even more disingenuous. Dude chill. This isn't a complaint. We're happy as larks. You set up the strawmen, we knock 'em down. Maybe you would find more life fulfillment with a new career...............maybe teaching? I'm seeing a pattern here. 1.) Lie about wife's salary and pension. 2.) Lie about the lies. 3.) Use the words "Dude" and "chill" repeatedly to minimize the blush factor. Actually looked into teaching a while back. It turns out that surrounding myself with 2.9 and under folks who push the play button on a VCR five or six times a day was a fantasy I just could not abide.

Jim, what's wrong with these two quotes? Answer? They're both yours--and one of them is a lie. Please, Jim, if you could abstain from just making shit up to defend your ideas, well, that would be great. Very poor form.

This is total bullshit, Jim. You admitted your wife entered the teaching system after coming over from another career. Do you really expect your wife would receive a full pension for slightly more than half tenure? As you know, pensions typically follow a geometric curve that heavily favors the later years. It is safe to assume this too was part of your wife's calculus when she changed careers. Why complain about it now? Will she collect a pension from her former career? Again, if so, your complaint is even more disingenuous.

After work, home at 6pm, staying up until 1am, driving, lectures, library time, driving, reading, writing, and getting back up for work at 6am--like those of us in the private sector do. Like I did. Again, why do teachers think they are above the rest of us? It's truly an insulated world they have created for themselves.

What was Obama's GPA?

Dumbest president in history? That'd probably be #9--or maybe #33. I'll let you look 'em up. In any event, GW somehow got through Yale and Harvard ok--with mediocre grades. Of course, we have no way of knowing Obama's academic or intellectual cred, since he's never allowed the release of his college transcripts--or produced a graduate thesis.

...and Here is the Snopes on GGK's Wisconsin nonsense. (Although I'm not under any illusions that he, or you, will actually interpret it in any way that affronts the constructed reality you live within.)

Well the initial impression just from knowing Carville pretty well is that this just doesn't sound like him. And the dead giveaway of the use of the word "Democrat", which in this case is improper, the correct being "Democratic". But this is a favorite method of Rush (Pigboy) Limbaugh and his ilk. To use the incorrect word because it ends in "rat". Strictly juvenile and low class. Trying to link this to any Dem also falls flat just from the false premise that Dems are less clueless than Repugs because any Dem knows that's just not true. So let's check Snopes shall we Dimweather? Just Google the title of this little funny, what do you know, the top hit. LINK. And, just as I thought, it's false. Carville never made this statement and there is no record of him having ever done so. So typical of the knuckle-draggers on the right, can't find any really bad facts to put out about Dems, so they just pull sh*t right out of their ass. And as the old saying goes. When the Repugs stop lying about the Dems then the Dems can stop telling the truth about the Repugs. So once again Dumbweather, you've taken a beat down, you must be getting used to it by now. Oh BTW please link to some facts showing a dumber Dem president than the bush boy, as evidenced by the funny I posted with the six idiotic Bushism quotes. And try to pick one that's not pulled out of some knuckle-draggers ass. It's going to be tough, good luck. I'll spell slowly for you, since you don't seem to have a grasp of irony: My Carville post was in response to your Barton post. Entiendes? In kind, here is the Snopes on the nonsense you posted. Enjoy your weekend. Beat down? Wow.

Hey, it worked for Walter White...

We can play this game all month. Here's a dumbass Democrat for ya: [video:youtube]cesSRfXqS1Q

Uhhhhhhhhhhh, no?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/karlazabludovsky/the-brain-drain-from-venezuela#.ys1DKxODYY

I was trying to. But oly and effaroo are too filled with hate. Isn't it ironic? Don't ya think?

Of course, you only point out irony sometimes. A little too ironic, yeh I really do think.

http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/newreply/Board/21/Number/1007354/what/showflat/fpart/1/q/1

How cliche. "Armed Democrats.com?" I thought you hated them too? In any event, I'm glad you're free to own guns.

And how's that going? In aggregate, I mean. As for your police, fire, IRS comp, well, gimme a break--and leave it to a lib to come up with a straw-man. Like all employees, they (and you) should be judged by a combination of results and the effort they put forth--as judged by their supervisor(s) and, in most cases, their peers.

This is the world the rest of us live in. Employment at will. Outside of age, race, gender, there are minimal protections against a-hole managers. And yes, they're out there. Still, why do teachers think they are somehow above being evaluated?

I'm on your side more than you realize. My point is that a teacher with her credentials and experience would fare far better with a salary dictated by supply and demand. Why does the teachers' union hate good, well-qualified teachers?

Teacher's should make as much or less than the average hourly salary of a heavy equipment operator. This will keep qualified candidates from joining the field of education and allow them the opportunity to become heavy equipment operators, or join professions that actually matter and improve society, like professional sports. Curious minds want to know, so I crunched these numbers for my spouse last year. I made very conservative assumptions - only putting her down for an average of 60 hrs a week (believe me it's likely more like 70), 3 weeks of break where she takes off one but merely puts in 35 hrs each of the other two (which is a low estimate), 6 weeks off in summer but works 30 hr/wk for 4 of those meeting with teachers, developing/refining lessons (doesn't get out of school after kids leave till last week in June has to be back at school officially week before kids arrive). And it comes out to a whopping $24.85/hr. As she said when she went from geology consulting to teaching - pay cut in half and hours doubled. But she loves it. Regarding a Masters - yes you get a pay bump - but I don't know if they differentiate between a degree that is your teaching field vs. the Masters in Education, which is a softball. Both of us being in the sciences we went through a rigorous MS program - entrance orals, field work, stats, thesis, defense - which took about 3 yrs - an average for sciences. When she went back for a teaching certificate it was a year long program but if she had stayed an additional 3 months (over the summer) she could have earned a Masters in Education! That's an interesting contrast. Jim, are you using x1.5 for plus forty/week, or plus 8/day? Either way,that's pretty easy take-home math--and it doesn't help your argument that teachers are underpaid. I like your points about the MEd softball, though. Spot on.

Yep, you got it. Union thug extortionists. Were you as outraged when the legislature threw out the will of the voters who passed I601 and I602? And how about those Tim Eyman initiatives? Selective outrage? If you are so unhappy teaching, why not quit? Seriously. Take your skills where you feel they will be respected and or adequately compensated.

No problem with private-sector unions. No use for public extortionists who use kids as human shields.

Conservative analysis, post-election: http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/blog/post/wea-union-sees-declining-influence-recent-election