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I'll just bet 'ole Daniel never fell off a ladder and cost his fellow frontiersmen $4 million in medical payouts.

Wow, the lengths libs will go to to prop up their failures. Do I want the Obamacare to fail? Hell yes, I think it's bad for the country. Do I like the "old system"? No. Again, all you have to do is visit the site and plug in whatever you want--income, dependents, etc.--and you might get an accurate quote. The final quote I received was $75/mo higher than what the site originally said. Still, I don't recall ever sharing the price with you in a PM--which, by the way, would be confidential. (Hence, the name private message.) But then, I'd expect no less from a little lap dog like you.

Again, I'll ask; could you afford it? And would you be happy about it?

Now you're just plain lying. Visit the site and see for yourself.

indeed, they did a most excellent job advocating for the status quo, which was crap. they have no better proposal though b/c they have no soul and see working people as glorified bunny rabbits: needing to be fruitful and multiply, consume as much as possible, then die ASAP. As opposed to your Democrats: aka the "free lunch" party

indeed, they did a most excellent job advocating for the status quo, which was crap. they have no better proposal though b/c they have no soul and see working people as glorified bunny rabbits: needing to be fruitful and multiply, consume as much as possible, then die ASAP. despite the nocaps this post be clearly ttk the real ivan doesn't feel the partisan hate like this

Actually, you suggested single payer with a separate market for those who want to insure (and can afford to) outside the system. Sounds like "separate and unequal" to me.

because if you have almost 50% of working people uninsured, the system is broken. Bullshit. Before Obamacare about 30-35 million were uninsured. By making illegal catastrophic policies, your president added another 5-12 million to that number. (Including me and my wife.)

Not my program, it's some bastardized Frankenstein version of Romneycare born of compromise with the insurance lobby and the attempts to gain Republican support for passage. In that sense, it's as much your program as anyone else's. WTF?? It got exactly Zero Republican support. It's YOUR program; don't try your weasel bullshit now. (I do like your earlier suggestion though.)

Sounds like you're getting milked by your insurance company. They loves them some high health care costs. HELLOOoo....This is Obamacare, Washington State version. I'm getting milked by your program! Geeez, you guys really don't have any clue, do you. the point, dear sir, is that, as gene says, it could be done much more cheaply via single payer as so many nations have shown, but the political reality, as of 2009-10, was that, if we wanted to do anything about the old shitty status quo (denial of coverage/service for those w/ pre-existing conditions and even those w/o perhaps, copay/deductible schemes that ensured medical bankruptcy whenever you got badly sick/hurt, no coverage or thoroughly worthless coverage for a big # of working poor, etc) we had to have this insurance-company blowjob hybrid that is obamacare. no republican, then or now (or indeed, ever), was going to vote for any species of reform, if for no other reason than it had obama-cooties all over it (thus the name), and plenty enough democrats are corporate whores too and they weren't going to do anything unless the proper palms were greased. christ, the public option, the best compromise it seemed to be for those who wanted a private market and lots of choices, and quiet far from a universal single payer system, was dead-as-dillinger on arrival - didn't even get serous consideration. the choice was status quo or ACA, absolute shit or shit of unknown dimensions. our nation's historical retard-genius for fixing problems has been half-assed solutions, usually so shitty they goaded the machine eventually, after bitter experience, into something better. best case, obamacare as written does work and makes even you and yours happy. the case i'll live w/ though is not unlike the whiskey-junkie who goes on a coke-binge and only at the bitter end of it all realizes there's a 3rd, better, option: coffee obamacare, if it doesn't work, will hopefully lead sane folks to realize the best thing to do is ditch the shitty corporate-approved compromise and try the model of our northern neighbors and euro-friends. sounds like i'm paying the same amount now for my insurance (single earner w/ a family 4 though) as you, and if it's of any value, i sure would like to be paying less. I wish you the best. Sounds like the state of Oregon needs to pony up.

Sounds like you're getting milked by your insurance company. They loves them some high health care costs. HELLOOoo....This is Obamacare, Washington State version. I'm getting milked by your program! Geeez, you guys really don't have any clue, do you. Avoiding the question. where did you get the $11K from? Is that equal to your new premiums? Yes. This would be my premium ($900/mo x12) under the Washington State plan--silver edition. And I'm not gonna pay it.

Sounds like you're getting milked by your insurance company. They loves them some high health care costs. HELLOOoo....This is Obamacare, Washington State version. I'm getting milked by your program! Geeez, you guys really don't have any clue, do you.

Stop the presses! Prole is about to get kicked out of the club. Single payer and private insurance? Well, that's not really single payer, then is it.

Wow, what a couple of holier-than-thou punks you and Rob. What part of it's too expensive did you miss? You understand, we're talking about nearly $11,000 per year, right? Could you afford it?

Yep. Fact is, my wife and I have decided not to pay nearly $900/month for "affordable" Obamacare insurance--with a $5000 deductible. Doesn't seem right that we'd be subsidizing others who pay nothing for the exact same coverage. And it sounds too much like that whole "from each according to his needs, from each according to his means..." bullshit. Not gonna play. And that big IRS fine? Yea, we'll see how well that holds up come election season.

You probably could since the wilderness/aircraft rules at GBNP were relaxed years ago. Problem is, I don't think there is anyone in the area that offers service. Drake (Haines) only flies a plane, and I don't think the Temsco folks out of Juneau or Skagway have the range. (?)

in your case dribble dribble lol.

Mine was taken away by this president--and then offered back for more than double the price. Affordable? You're delusional.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences." --CS Lewis

The picture is dated 1972, but I wonder if the ridge has deteriorated. I'm sure the approach hasn't improved. After watching the Smiley's latest video--Fairweather's Carpe Ridge--I'm led to believe that things are really falling apart in the range. http://smileysproject.com/Committed__Fifty_Classic_Climbs_of_North_America/Committed.html

The winner. Do you have links/info on any recent attempts? I'd like to read about them.

I agree about 90%. Still, if you can figure out how to do it, please tell. Abrogate GATT, NAFTA, etc? Relax environmental regulations here at home? Abolish unions? Retrain service sector employees to work in all the new factories that are selling products to who exactly? Nixon thought that opening up China to the west would make it less of a threat. I guess the jury is still out. Unions and environmental are not the cause of production exodus. As an outdoor person you should know 2 things essential to healthy living: clean air and clean water. Living in something less polluted then Love Canal and getting paid for work a living wage is so much to ask for? Stop promoting "race to the bottom" mentality. I think the main issue is tax system and corporate lobbying. Tax system encourages job export and product import, and corporate lobbying is spending big $$$ to convince general and sub-edutated public this is the best and for our own good. Well, I guess you're smarter than every president, premier, party chairman, chancellor, and prime minister that's held office since the Bretton Woods system was put in place. Tell me exactly what you would implement to replace the present neoliberal economic structure? I suspect it would not support the "living wages" you allude to, but I have no doubt it would supply good steady wages and benefits to the bureaucratic class. Still, I agree with you in principle--I just think any cure might end up being worse than the disease.

Alaska, yes. Hint: it's a 12,000er.

I agree about 90%. Still, if you can figure out how to do it, please tell. Abrogate GATT, NAFTA, etc? Relax environmental regulations here at home? Abolish unions? Retrain service sector employees to work in all the new factories that are selling products to who exactly? Nixon thought that opening up China to the west would make it less of a threat. I guess the jury is still out.

I agree, you don't strike me as a gulag type of guy. Quite the opposite. But your friends--not so sure. (Let's let history be our guide here.)