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http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July05/ethanol.toocostly.ssl.html

Sad. Challenge of Rainier recounts Mahre's first ascent of Little Tahoma, N Face. Because of copyright, I won't paste it here, but one of Molenaar's sketches is of a climber crawling along a snowy ledge high on the face during this climb. This is what I always have, and always will think about when I hear the name of this man who I never met but admired. Grab a copy of the book and relive this adventure in memory of Dave Mahre.

Might actually be a good teaching tool for middle schoolers trying to learn the WWII timeline.

So you have a study partly sponsored by the DOE, not [/i]conducted[/i] by. Hence, the .org and not the .gov. Regardless, I choose to believe the Cornell Professor for now. If, for no other reason, the fact that his link worked on the first try.

I must not have the magic cookie that you possess. First link works fine. I think you're lying. I think there is no second link.

The second link doesn't work, pothead. Only the address box lights up.

Thinking that there is "someone" within the whole Islamic religion that can speak for others or reign in their extremists is like thinking the Pope can reign in Jerry Falwell. Jerry Falwell isn't telling people to kill non-believers by decapitation or bus-bomb. If he were, I suspect the Christian world would shout him down without ambiguity.

How long ago were the crusades? C'mon. We are talking current events here, so let's at least try to stay within the past 100 years, or so. Srebrinica, you ask?? You mean that UN declared safe haven?? The butchers there were not acting under the banner of religion. They were acting on behalf of a racist mentality that had previously been kept under wraps by a communist dictatorship. Pick your poison. And what is the only major religion that has not undergone a reformation?

Ak, Where is Dept of Energy study????? I only see National Bio-Diesel Board andbio-diesel.org. Their names indicate their bias, wouldn't you say?

I'm more amused by the 'feel good' types who use bio-diesel and think they're making a real difference. But you're right about the ethanol subsidies. And it isn't just Bush...it's every president in recent memory, I believe.

Fuck Saudi Arabia, and FUCK their oil too. 17%. We can make do without it. Screw Pakistan. Musharraf is a backstabbing weasel afraid to take a stand against the islamo-thugs within his own borders. ....and please spare me the House of Bush/Saud conspiracy bullshit. It's beneath you.

Um, last time I checked the news, Christians, Jews, Budhists, etc, weren't slicing the heads off of live victims (while making home movies, even!), crashing airliners into occupied structures, sending suicide bombers into subways, blowing up schoolchildren in the Caucasus Mountains, killing tourists in Bali, allowing their pastors to issue death warrants on non-believers......................................etc. All the while, Islam offers only excuses and obfuscation. March 23, 1945 August 6, 1945 August 9, 1945 These people were more willing to die than the current batch of jihadists we see today. But, in the end, they chose to live - as most reasonable human beings do. Also, Josh, you need to tone it down a bit. I actually have you on my will mutually respect list...for now.

AlpineK & friends ain't gonna' like this...... http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July05/ethanol.toocostly.ssl.html

Terrible. Sling failure? Or did the whole block/horn pull out?

There is a belief by some that this 'proposal' already exists, and that this is one reason for a non-repeat of 9/11 here in the USA. I'm not sure I believe this is the case, but a framework similar to the Cold War's MAD policy seems appropriate. I find it hard to understand the reluctance to retaliate that you all display. Did you read the original premise? Not just another 9/11...not just one american city...but several nuke attacks - several of our cities destroyed. If it could be demonstrated that adherants to Islam were responsible, and that they had government sponsorship of even the most tacit degree, the HELL YES we should retaliate with every weapon at our disposal. As an American citizen, I would demand it!...if I hadn't already been vaporized along with all of you. Sheesh! You guys would probably want to sit down and discuss grievances with the motorcycle gang that just raped your wife. I'm glad you weren't running the show in 1941. We might not be at war with Islam, but they sure seem to be at war with us...or at least unwilling to rein in their most rabid dogs.

Nice TR. For future ref; FS road 23 from Randle to Trout Lake is a much faster drive from Seattle or Tacoma than doing the big go'round.

Nice to see how you are so quick to tie a Brit law enforcement issue to GW and Texas. Guess that's what happens when your hatred of something-or someone-is so complete that it defines your very being.

Based on Tweezer's fly over pics, and info I recently obtained from the ranger/geologist I talked to at Hoh, we need to start planning a memorial service for Anderson Glacier. Apparently, it is now no more than a few inactive patches of perennial snow. Compare to pictures from 1920 and even 1970's and the sad truth is impossible to ignore. Strangely, Linsley's Glacier which has roughly the same aspect, although it sits on a higher shelf beneath West Peak, is still active as ever and appears to be maintaing balance. (?) I suspect that "route 2" will soon become the new standard and more climbers will look at the approach to Eel Glacier via Hayden Pass. (?) I too, hope to check things out frsthand before the summer is over. Maybe we'll see you up there! Here is Tweezer's photo from an earlier thread:

The topic is cost of living, numbnuts. The cost of housing is only one component. Must be the drugs again, AK? Try to concentrate.

Must be that $40billion monorail.

After an absence of 21 years from Olympus, I decided to give it a try with my son despite accounts of less than great climbing conditions. We left for Olympus Guard Station on Sunday afternoon and made camp alongside the river. Trudged up to Glacier Meadows the next day and met a large party of guided teen-climbers from the east coast who had summited earlier that day. They claimed that conditions were very good and that both the direct and the Crystal Pass routes were doable. As this group was heading back down, it became apparent that Ben and I would have the mountain to ourselves the next day. We got a late start at 4:15am and arrived on the lateral moraine just in time to see the sun hit the summit ridge far above. The glacier was bare and the firn line appeared to be just a little higher than normal for July. The party from the day-before made a great boot path for us to follow! Snowdome was smooth and only a few small cracks were apparent. Crystal Pass was easily attained and crossed...and NO BERGSCHRUND was present. The upper Blue Glacier was, likewise, smooth with only one semi-nasty snowbridge to cross. After crossing the false summit, and getting our first close-up view of the West Peak, it was apparent that the rumors of "the 60 foot wide moat" were also false. (see picture below) We crossed easily from the snow apron to the ledge where I belayed the kid along and up to the top in short order. The last few feet up seemed harder than I remember, but not any worse than hard fourth-class. Took some pics and headed back down to camp another night at Glacier Meadows. Saw two friendly parties camped at Cal-Tech Moraine and preparing to summit the next day. We got up at 5am and hiked out the 17 miles on Wednesday. Here are a few pics. Sorry about the 'family-theme', but I get carried away with the camera sometimes.....

Damn. What is the stated reason for this? The age of the system? Environmental? I don't get it. My wife, kids, and I took the tram to the top last summer and spent a few hours watching almost 100 paragliders soar into the sky on a sunny, windless day.

Or what? When I cited j_b's 'side of the fence', I should have been more specific and said something like "his corner of the world". I surely didn't mean to paint the average liberal with the same brush I use for j_b - who has expressed a constant and unambiguous disdain for everything American. Did I call anyone unpatriotic? No. But if that label applies to ANYONE on this board, it is certainly j_b.

We all know the deep concern those on your side of the political fence have for our foreign operatives as they carry on with the work of our nation in dark and dangerous places, j_b.

Um...that's, "sentences" Cj. ...and a bit run-on, as well. BTW, I, too, work for the CIA and am on a very important assignment at this very moment. If anyone here tries to out me, I WILL prosecute.