Tony_Bentley

That face looks challenging. I'd be gripped leading it.

Did you climb the chimney on the right side of the buttress? I have not but it looks worthy and slightly intimidating. This route is listed in the CAG.

I must reply to all of these ethic debates. First of all the existance of climbers impacts the environment and the existance of new standards that overrule the old standards create contraversy and make more than one side to an ethics issue and that also impacts the environment because people act in the best interest of themselves and not the environment. I believe that in the best interest of the environment we shouldn't have fixed protection in the first place, but in the best interest of my life and my ability the bolts should stay. But if a climb can be rated in "Aid" but not freeable than leave it the fuck alone!!! There are plenty of free routes.

Well what do you know, a rope was left at Index and my buddy walked right by it and thought it was Terry or Jeff's. They were the last to leave the lower wall on Sunday but they probably thought the same as us. Call Terry at Feathered Friends and ask her if they took it for booty. Too bad I can't be as dishonest as everyone. ------------------

Bruce and I are going to try to hike through Tokatie Creek and hit all of the moderates on the plateau in a couple of days. Has anyone been up there or know if it might still be too early yet for those crags??? We are concerned about bringing snowshoes or crampons with us for the approaches.