Beck

Right on, Haireball! This definitely merits some checking out- hey, oo9 or anyone else want to go check it out this weekend, go scope the campsite and some bouldering, then on to L-worth for a cold frosty at the Old Post Office (Free Pool on Sundays!!!) I've got a Wash Alpine Club work party to attend up @ Snoq Pass Saturday but can cut free after just a couple hours, I imagine, if anyone wants to go camp out in L-wurst Saturday night- Beck

Okay, I will look into suitable spots, let's consider a Cascade Climbers Fall Mega Fest to be held September sept 28-30 at a locatation TBA. I will look into Bridge Creek Campground, we need to have a no fee backup location picked out- i know of a campground up past Lake Wenatchee that would put us 30 minutes out of Leavenworth if this sounds okay with all- no fee it's free. Questions are- who wants to help bring this together to a successful shindig? I think this can be pulled off with a little bit of effort from a couple party minded individuals- I see Alpine K is volunteering to be Beer Master, way to go K!

Bridge Creek campground in Icicle Canyon, that sound pretty good, as for when, there's a full moon on Sept 2 or very close to the 30th (oct2 is the full moon, that'd put the moon in a great spot for the last weekend in Sept.- any consensus?

I think we need it to be in a place that's easy to find, actually, with vault toilets, running water and some power to hook up a huge stereo system and big barbeque pits- like a group campsite (official or otherwise) OUT THERE somewhere. Diablo Lake on N Cascades is beautiful but is pay sites, Just past Lake Wenatchee up canyon there's some free undeveloped sites by river, how about the kennedy hot springs trailhead(that place has huge lawn area) or something off the Mountain Loop highway- I don't KNOW of any great group spots right near L-worth but I'm assuming there are out there- I guess picking a time is good, like second weekend in Sept? or what? would be a good first step- Beck

Erik, i don't recall if you were one of the climbers interested in putting on the big fest- are you into steering this one a little bit, i'm sure there's plenty of less than official places to host this one, but bouldering/cragging nearby is key, I guess- let's see if any other feedback rolls in on this one. Beck

Beck's Beer!!

Well,who's putting on the fall shindig? Where should we go?

I only ran into one tree on my bike on the way home, my shoulder hurts as well as my skull!

Matt P and myself were talking about this at the Pub Club last night and think there have been no reports of spectra sling failure in Accidents in NA Mountaineering; it's all based on the relative brittle nature of kevlar used in spectra slings. Maybe we can get an industry rep response on this, I don't have any solid beta, just anecdotal. Also, that most slings are rated 16-22 Knewtons so even a 50 percent reduction in strenght is still pretty burly. [This message has been edited by Beck (edited 07-25-2001).]

Indeed a rightous gathering of Cascade Climbers in the pub club last night , a rousing hurrah to all that made it such a stunning success! I will be at the crags on the 31st! If any Seattlites want to carpool, I'll be leaving about six. Shoot me an email.

Regarding spectra vs. nylon, some guys I know that attended this years' Rigging for Rescue course in BC last month came back with new results that spectra slings and runners fail considerably below their kilonewton rating when even a small dynamic fall is induced on them. Don't know all the specifics, maybe is not so big a deal, but I went and replaced my spectra daisy with a fresh nylon one. Also, C&S (some WACKY manufacturer in Marysville ) makes some way burly daisy chains and other bomber gear.

Thanks, Ibex, exactly. I'm just passing along the beta that spectra is best suited to use on belay stances, loaded/tensioned anchors and the like, the new data shows the stuff fails under short shock loads at less than rated strength.

dropping more than just rope stretch/ runner stretch, any fall that generates any movement prior to loading is a dynamic fall. the rigger mentioned a fall of 1 foot as a test drop length on some spectra runners they did. (If I'm remembering this all correctly)

Thank you Dwayner, I am just the facilitator of these drinking yoohahs, I sure wouldn't want to be in CHARGE of you miscreants!! The next meeting of the Cascade Climbers "We're drinking now" Pub Club is called for Tuesday July 24th, at the Ballard Alehouse, 4300 leary Way.(directions on last thread about Pub Club) Some people will be showing at six,looks like, but seven seems to be a more acceptable start time for everyone out there. Hope a few of you can make it, bring pictures, stories, a pile of BS, whatever... look for the least behaved table in the place!

We need to pick a forum/location/time for next weeks meeting, July 31- I beleive the North End has not been adequately represented with a locale, and i ask any northerly types to pick a spot. Flying Pig in Everett? Mccabes? music cafe right at US2/I-5 intersection(that brick building on the east side of I-5 as you merge onto US2?

Climber type or dirtbag culture attire preffered, I'll be wearing a shirt with figure eights rampant.

Prescription sunglasses can be had for less than 175.00 US just buy a set of Julbo round frames and ask your optitian to get you some glass high altitude lenses- made at one lab in US, cleveland I think, and those run about 90-120 US. Will last for a long time, when you need a backup sunglass go with the fitovers or dark goggles w/ your regular glasses and you'll be backed up for less than 200 bills.

to J fisher- double and add 30 will give innacuracies for 40 C it's 6 degrees off 18/10 + 32 is the ratio

Any good ideas on where the next Cascade Climbers "We're Drinking Now" Pub Club meeting should be held? Some possibilities tossed about- Alki Tavern? Blue Star in Wallingford Flying Pig? brewery in Everett The greater Ballard Area? Any ideas from the group?

Sorry I miised it, gents, got back late from the North Cascades. Does anyone have a great spot for tuesday the twenty fourth? I like the Ballard idea...

No, caveman, in some of your last posts it sounds like you'll be coming in fists flying at these other guys and I don't feel that 's the spirit of camaradarie. If you recall you got a recent post locked because of your inflamatory comments. the cuffs were to lock you to someone's bumper if you started acting up- I'm not in charge of this thing , i'm just trying to keep these gatherings from becoming some wierd cyber personality slug fest. If all this spray about kicking ass is just Bullshit among friends, do the the people who don't know you might be joking a favor and go spray on the spray board. If it really is a grudge match, go meet at "the first cascade climbers "we're fighting now" grudge match and start your own thread. So, to, get off my soapbox, and back into the drinking spirit, Where do we meet to drink?

To keep the CC Pub Club in the spirit of shared good times, I respectfully request that Captain Caveman keep his unstable self out of it. Jules, if you want to set it at the Old time Alehouse,or the Triangle, let's do it, just looking for some more feedback from everybody, I too, want concensus and not one person running it, I'm just trying to keep the syzygy going on getting togther with other Cascade Climbers from this site. Captain Caveman, don't make me bring the handcuffs so the rest of us can have a good time, we don't need a steroid popping homophobic closet homo malcontent coming in and hoisting his shitty attitude onto the rest of us, hope to keep the good times rollin' !!! Beck [This message has been edited by Beck (edited 07-18-2001).]

Just some follow ups on this, I've been gone in the mtns and just got back. The National Parks are "natural preserves" that need to be maintained for future generations, not some "I want to use it now" access-demanding outdoorspeople.It has been difficult for MORA to keep the westside road open; it gets washed out in the spring. Decision? Close road. I may make an assumption and suppose the NPS wants the road open for emergency access and rangers but not the public. Sure, environmentalists get in the way of trail maintinence and development in wilderness areas. A case in point: the Enchanted valley in the Olympics has been cut off from easy access from both the E and W from bridges being washed out from the winter of 1998. Even last summer ( I haven't checked this season) The bridges were not getting rebuilt because the helicopters needed to fly supplies have the potential for spooking some species of grouse that live oer there. canb't rebuild the bridges with the helicopters, might SCARE THE BIRDS! All that aside, the park is there for the birds, not the hikers, so i'm willing to wait or hike thirty extra miles if i want to climb Mount Anderson. To Brian Rybolt, sir, you sound distictly pro logging and pro development in your stance on wilderness use. Wilderness is just that, Wilderness. Some preservationists believe in less trail maintence, less trailheads, more for nature, because, Mother nature'll be aroung long after the readers on this site are history, the principle on less development is more preservation.

Ratio of 18f/10c plus the 32 degree base difference. example- 5degrees C. = 9 degrees Far+ 32= 41 degrees 18/10+ 32

Did you go, dwayner?