Cpt.Caveman

Who cares what size gun or type of rounds we like. I'll keep em pointed at most of the people here either way.

AGS-17??!! or 30??!! http://www.milparade.com/2000/42/03_10.shtml

Be careful if you are not on my side then

That point is moot. What kind of accuracy are you going to get at 50-m? Non-military trained joe-six pack. If the perp is at 50-m he is probably running away and the gun has served it's purpose without firing a shot. Good guys win. What kind of accuracy is a 45 gonna get at 30 meters None! But a 9mm will.

I dont like pistols anyway. I take that back. I'll be carrying a rifle so I can shoot through body armor. Pistols are for wimps

I'll take the 9mm since I can pump more rounds in if the first one doesnt do the job. Plus it has twice the max effective range.

Colt 1911 max eff range is 25 meters Berretta mil pistol 9mm is 50 meters Someone tell me if I'm wrong.

Good point, Ray. I would counter that with the point that pistols are for close-quarters. Right? I'm looking at maximum effectiveness in the first 30', which a .45 ACP bullet travelling at approx. 850-fps can cover in .0353-seconds without losing too much energy. I can look up some ballistics if you want. Dont waste your time. I'm just fuckin around.

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i think a baretta or similar 9mm has better penetrating power. Greg, this subject is so involved and diverse, a statement like that is just preposterous. You should bone up on some facts before making broad statements like that. It makes you look like an idiot. whoa dude, i admit i am not an expert on the subject. i didn't realize this was a touchy subject for you. the only thing i get emotional about is real versus fake. gregm - The reason Trask jumped your shit is that your statement is incorrect. A Baretta is a brand of pistol. A 9-mm is smaller than a .45 ACP round. The .45 packs a huge whallop because it is so heavy - a great manstopper. However, the 9-mm (which I carry) does penetrate better and that is nice for out in the bush where you might encounter a thick-skinned cougar. That said, the relatively new .40 S&W ammunition has proven to combine the best of the .45 and the 9-mm. If I was buying another "carry" gun, it would be chambered in .40 S&W. rr666 - It depends on your budget. Baretta and Colt make some nice small guns chambered in .45 & 9-mm that are good for carrying. For a "carry" gun you want a piece that isn't too large and doesn't have a lot of protuberances to catch on clothing when you draw; several "hammerless" models are nice for this. There are a few nice former Eastern Bloc manufacturers that make a nice medium-framed pistol that is relatively inexpensive. I carry a Makarov 9X18 which I bought used for about $160; it carries really nice. Hope that helps. Greg W how much of a whallop is the 45 going to pack when it runs out of the range most 9mm are capable of?

I never said don't take it. Also if you read my comments they are based on opinion. You might find them to be the best group in the world.

because most of them are rude, dangerous, annoying and or obnoxious in their own little way.

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Yeah if you didn't have to put up with all the bs they seem to bring out.

I am better than you because I live in *****. This is an endless argument that chases it's own tail. If everyone that lived in seattle stayed put the roads would be better. Especially the traffic caused by their dumb drivers

i think a baretta or similar 9mm has better penetrating power. Greg, this subject is so involved and diverse, a statement like that is just preposterous. You should bone up on some facts before making broad statements like that. It makes you look like an idiot. whoa dude, i admit i am not an expert on the subject. i didn't realize this was a touchy subject for you. the only thing i get emotional about is real versus fake.

Liberty Ridge

Dave your just pissed because you ride the bus and shit. Of course you wouldn't agree with Greg.

Oh an just stop working too. I am sure if ole boss get's pissed there will be some other person just waiting to take the job you hold

Rob after reading that I can only assume that if a crowd like this was organized under this sort of talk and they ran across some military then we can all guess what would happen then wouldn't we. If they are going to do bs in london what's to stop them here. Oh nothing. If they want to protest they should get the target right or nobody will view it respectfully. Own thoughts are fundamental too.

Genius efforts Yeah right. Let's go harrass the military. They don't even make the decisions when we go to war. They're guilty by association. Your ignorance is amazing Dave.

I liked the Ballard Alehouse Yep. I hated the Blue Moon or whatever that sorry ass joint was 2 weeks ago. Maybe we should ban all votes from people giving shitty locations Place in Totem Lake was ghetto but kinda cool.

The first link is for some dude in alabama right? The second link mentions some donate money. that doesnt mean I agree where my taxes are going (the donated money). That's no solution or anything I agree with.

totally agree wdietsch. I mean who's going to vote down their own pay raise Politics rules eh

Excuse my other board name. I'll have to clean that one up Hey iceguy wassup. Back from foreign lands eh?.