Lambone

Pope, you have got to be kidding me, are you really that full of yourself. If you have such an important itinerary, what the hell are you wasting your time on this web site for? I do 'cause it makes me laugh. People like you are a joke! What values? Making fun of people who like to do something that you don't agree with. Are those your valuble traits? Typical Trad climber values are bullshit ego trips. I can say this because I've been there. I was a youngster with a shiny rack of nuts and hexs long ago. I don't find any value in knocking other climbers who are weaker or more afraid than us. Oooooh, you think your a hard man cause you climbed Outerspace in the rain... Ohhh you run out the rope sooooo far. Your sooooo tough. Your not afraid of anything! You don't need no stinking bolts! Yeah, I bet Paul Boving wasn't afraid of Thin Fingers, until he slipped.... You will slip one day too, everyone does. The day I come looking for your help is the day I quit climbing.

For all you guys who think I am a total loser. First, I can't beleive you took me seriously. Second, your Trad Klan can go to hell. Third, to give you a little background: I was born the same month Paul fell off Thin Fingers. I led my first climb, on Trad gear when I was thirteen. That was 10 years ago. I climbed my first grade four in the Valley when I was sixteen. I didn't really start sport climbing until I came to Washington two years ago. I'm not the best, in fact I am mearly mediocere. But I sure as hell ain't no sport weenie. And even if I was, who cares, sport weenies can be great. I like sport climbing, I like bouldering, I like trad, and Alpine. I like the Himilayas, and I love Yosemite. I am even begining to like Washington. My point is that I love all aspects of climbing, except the old school Trad bastards who think they are gods gift to the rock. I could go off for hours.... I was mocking that crowd, and Dwayner. Because he thinks he has sooooo much to teach me. I'd like to go climbing with him sometime to find out who is the one that needs a schooling. Peace-have fun out there, the weather is good, it's summer again! See you on the rock. Smile.... -matt

I like that. It would add to the silliness of the washington guide books. But you better run it past the president of the trad klan comision. On Second thought, what washington guide books??? There all out of print.

I don't care who did it. I just want to know if he is still in the Cascade Trad Klan.

OOOOH scary. Oh, chill out man. I'm just poking fun. Plus I'm not at work, so it won't do you any good to go over there. Unless you want to train. Are you the guy who walked in and killed all those people at work last year? All you guys can dish out so much crap, but if someone gets on your case all of a sudden its a hostile situation! Go smoke a bowl. Don't you know that the FBI red flags any drug related material on the web! Hey, I am glad that someone else thinks Dwayner is a bozo. At least we agree on something. [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-30-2001).] [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-30-2001).]

Who's lame ass picture of some stupid Water Ice 2 is on the home page. It's been on there for like 8 months, and it is a discrace to Washington Ice climbers. I know it's one of your Trad Klan croneys. In fact, now that I think of it, I don't want to be accepted into your stupid gang of stoners anyway. I am going to start my own club! Caveman, if you put the pipe down maybe you'll get more climbing in and lose the beer belly! [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-30-2001).]

Hey, I thought Dwayner was the president of the Trad Klan. You guys are like treasurer and secretary. I wan't to talk to the boss!

Do you guys all listen to Bob Marley on the drive up to Index? Those smooth tunes of Jah Love must get you so stoaked to crank! Freakin' hippies... I cut my dreads off after one got caught in my rappel device in Yosemite. Plus, I perfer to climb on mushrooms.

Do I have to puff beforehand? Cause dope makes me paranoid when I'm trad climbing. Will it be ok to burn down after topping out?

Oh come on ray, we all know why Outerspace is your favorite climb. It's not the hand crack. Is that the Trad Klans secret meeting spot? Plus give me a break I'm from Montana.

P.S. I think Slow children could be upgraded to at least 11b with a sit start off the ledge. But Thin Fingers is defenately only 10c if you DYNO past the crux slab. What does the Guru King Of The Index Trad Klan think? Todd Skiner already worked on Town Crier and said it was a choss heap.

Sorry, but my projects this summer are Thin Fingers and Slow Children. Perfect for me 'cause I am just a slow child with skinny fingers. My question for all the guru Cascade Trad Climbers is this: Can I still call it a red-point if I pre-place all the pro on rappel? I realize that this action will be shuned by the Cascade Trad King Alliance, but will it keep me out of the club? In fact, while we are on the subject, can any of the "masters" give me a list of pre-requsites? I have a longggggg way to go before submitting my application to the Trad klan, so I'd like to get started ASAP. Is it against the code if I wear my helmet, and use my half ropes? The last time I went up to slow children, one of the local Trad Kings gave me the common look of despise. I don't understand? I once lived in Chicago where the Latin Kings used to walk around flashing gang signs. Do the Trad Kings have any tags or hand signals? I'd love to go tag the lower wall, but then I guess I'd just be a poser. Ohhh, I hope someday I will be accepted in the Trad Kings!!!! If not I may just have to move to some other range where all types of climbing are admired and acepted. That paradise must exist. Obviously not here, but somewhere...

Dwayner, Dude give me the beta on your lingo bro! What the hell is a pie-hole? Eh, who cares -I'm over it. Go solo outerspace or somethin before that guy Aaron takes his drill up there, and have fun. It's been real.

Nice story. It scares me that anyone dumb enough to fall off a cliff setting up a toprope can use a bosch.

The best reason: Just to piss Dwayner off alittle more!

Jessssse, who's the one who needs to relax now! Chill out old timer, I was just kidding. Plus, how would I put poop on your door step if I don't even know who you are? All I am saying, is in my experience I have noticed a lack of respect from SOME Euro climbers. Both towards the environment and towards so called "fellow climbers." I don't know how they act over there, but some of them just don't give a shit about how they act over here. "And the guys who steal climbing gear aren't secret agents from the former Soviet Union either." Well actually your close, the last guys who stole my crap were a Spanish team at Camp I on Ama Dablam. They ate my cash of summit food, and took our hardwear to make one last push. Anyway, I don't care about that. It won't be my first trip to Leavenworth, I am looking forward to trying to help some people who want to learn something usefull, and I don't need you to tell me to get out of the gym. Peace dog. This is fun, way better than studying. [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-28-2001).] [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-28-2001).]

Pope, I haven't lived with my parents since 1994. They prefer not to know exactly what I do in Yosemite. I don't blame 'em. As for shit bags. If they are paper, you can dump them in any porta potty or latrine. Or burn it in a pile in the rocks. If they are plastic, I have allways just tossed them in the garbage. Most people that huck use paper because it floats down. They are being so concious... I once pulled up onto the bivi under The Sheild roof to find a nice surprise tied to the anchor. The party above us sounded German or somethin. I allways use paper and haul it in a pipe. I hope that answers your question. Let me know if you have any better ideas. Maybe next time I'll ship it to Dwayner! [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-28-2001).]

My vote is for Wild Things. I own both the Ice Sac and Andinista. They are both dope. Light is right! Screw MEC and the internet. Buy Localy! Pro Mountain Sports or The Friends. Jim might give you better service depending on who you talk to at F.F., and how much beer they've had! [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-28-2001).] [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-28-2001).]

Ok Dwayner, I have cooled down now. I work in a Gym so I took your comments a little personaly. I argee that the Gym does attract Gapers, but for every one of them in the Gym there are three more that I'd rope up with any day. Alot of cool folks with tons of experience train in the Gym. Tom Hornbein for example. Now he is a bad ass! About El Cap. For every peice of litter, (encluding gum wrapers and cigeret butt), I have dropped of El Cap by accident I have picked up two at the base. Just a personal deed. I was a boyscout. It seems like it is the foreigners that drop their shit off El Cap. No respect. If you hate gym climbers so much you should go to Rockfest and teach some solo techniques! That would get rid of a few! One more thing; spotted knapweed is not a native species. It is encroaching roadsides all over the west and pushing out the true native vegitation.

I got max's back on this one. People who worry about shoe rubber are just weak. They will look for any excuse... Max, Take your twenty pounds of webbing back to Ray Lay and re-sling all those scethcy threads! That shit fades faster than eriks ego! Good luck selling your stuff, I know your pain.

Just goes to show how much Ice climbing goes on in Washington. Summer or not, anywhere else these bad boys would have been gone before I logged off. I'm begining to change my mind.

Luckily the beauty of the Cascades is not defined by the fools who roam in them, or talk about them online. I hope none of you dorks are on Stuart when I get my chance to head up there. My 2 cents of B.S.

Kevin and Max, I'm in. even though I have never climbed in Leavenworth, I'd be stoaked to help. I've carried out lots of "shit" (literaly) from under The Captain, and believe it or not, it can be FUN! One note: I once learned in biology class that picking weeds can promote more growth, and actually spread them worse. Think of picking dandylions in the front yard. What happens to all those seeds? They float away in the breeze. This may not be the best time to pick 'um. Just a thought, I may be wrong.

Oh whatever Dwayner. Who are you kidding. You can't ignore that climbing is completely comercialized. Big deal. Quite whinning! Do you look at climbing mags ever? Where did you buy your gear? Did you make it? Or do you just solo everything because you are a bad ass? Don't you use the Icicle every time you go there? Do you go out of your way to pick up trash, or pull weeds every time you go there? I hate to be confrontational, but your bullshit generalizations about gym climbers piss me off. You sound like an elitist hypocrite. Get over it, it's all about havin' fun. We are all climbers whether you like it or not. And you know what, were are going to have fun whether you are there or not! [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 05-28-2001).]

Jim Nelson sells USHBA stuff too.