JosephH Posted September 21, 2010 Author Share Posted September 21, 2010 I'll take that as a yes, that it's more a matter of needing more bolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 so what's the history on this route? Â Bob McGown and I did the route, wayyy back in the 80s. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 so what's the history on this route? Â Bob McGown and I did the route, wayyy back in the 80s. Â early 80's, nice send for back then. so you guy's have the first FFA? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrgo Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 I think the bolts are in the right spot. It is a little bouldery right off the deck but once you get a piece or two in, it should be a safe fall. Making sure the fixed gear is trustworthy is the main issue with that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 so what's the history on this route? Â Bob McGown and I did the route, wayyy back in the 80s. Â Apparently so did Joseph. Â Thanks for clarifying Wayne. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 hell, it's a nice send these days. for me anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Yes on the ffa. We did it on aid and then added a bolt. there was only one at the time. Bob got it first then I . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Yes on the ffa. We did it on aid and then added a bolt. there was only one at the time. Bob got it first then I . Â Joseph. Care to comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 I think the bolts are in the right spot. It is a little bouldery right off the deck but once you get a piece or two in, it should be a safe fall. Making sure the fixed gear is trustworthy is the main issue with that route. Good to hear, that's what I'm doing. When I get done everything that's fixed on the route will be bomb one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 Yes on the ffa. We did it on aid and then added a bolt. there was only one at the time. Bob got it first then I . Wayne, did you or Bob do the retrobolts, or know who did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 Yes on the ffa. We did it on aid and then added a bolt. there was only one at the time. Bob got it first then I . Joseph. Care to comment? I already did, if the dates are correct in Olson's book then Foster did the ffa. And now that pink mentioned free-soloing Jensens, I also recall he all but did that the next day semi-scaring me when I realized he only used like two pieces for the pitch off the actual ridge. Â In the end does it really matter? What counts is it was an absolutely striking line for Bob and Wayne to have been working and it just happened to fit our roof sensibility at the time. It's stout even as an aid line and was visionary of them as a free one. We way more than likely wouldn't never have gotten on it if the bolt wasn't there; we thought we were doing an established line like any other and in many respects we were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostCamKenny Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Yes on the ffa. We did it on aid and then added a bolt. there was only one at the time. Bob got it first then I . Wayne, did you or Bob do the retrobolts, or know who did? does it really matter, dood? you're gonna do the next retrobolting whether they are ok with it or not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostCamKenny Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 in fact, joe, here's a novel idea for you... Â why don't you have as much balls as they did and go aid the route from the ground, replacing the bad bolts as you climb by using a hammer and a hand drill. i would consider that acceptable - even if it was you replacing the bolts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 No Kenny, I'm not going to do the next retrobolting, I'm going to rebolt it and check the pins and make sure either they are solid or replace them with something that is either pin or bolt. It will have the exact same number of fixed protection points it has now, in the same places they're at now. If there are any 'sides' in that rebolting then I can't imagine why, or what the objection could possible be, other than Kevin's complaint it needs more bolts. I have a pretty hard time believing either Farrgo or Eldiente who might actually climb it are going to have any complaints. Â So if anyone does have a problem with me rebolting Stone Rodeo then speak up an explain exactly and specifically what your objection is. Kenny, why exactly would you have any problem whatsoever with rebolting it? Why do you think anyone would have any problem with it? Â P.S. I did just go a aid half the thing in a downpour, with water streaming out of the crack. I stopped when I got to the really bad bolt or it would already be done. At this point it doesn't matter how it gets done, just that all the fixed protection on it is solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Yes on the ffa. We did it on aid and then added a bolt. there was only one at the time. Bob got it first then I . Joseph. Care to comment? I already did, if the dates are correct in Olson's book then Foster did the ffa. And now that pink mentioned free-soloing Jensens, I also recall he all but did that the next day semi-scaring me when I realized he only used like two pieces for the pitch off the actual ridge. Â In the end does it really matter? What counts is it was an absolutely striking line for Bob and Wayne to have been working and it just happened to fit our roof sensibility at the time. It's stout even as an aid line and was visionary of them as a free one. We way more than likely wouldn't never have gotten on it if the bolt wasn't there; we thought we were doing an established line like any other and in many respects we were. Â so let me get this straight, you are referencing tim olsons book???? now i'm really confused. now his book is so convenient for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 "Convenient for you" - unless he wrote it for me I don't see how. Or are facts somehow convenient or inconvenient to you other than just being facts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 hmmm, so you find all the information in olsons book to be accurate??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 Not at all, if those dates on SR aren't correct then it's entirely possible my friend merely got the third free ascent of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 You gonna be out at Beacon tomorrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Not at all, if those dates on SR aren't correct then it's entirely possible my friend merely got the third free ascent of it. Â Â Â Originally Posted By: JosephH When we got on it we coincidentally and without realizing it had squeaked in after Bob had aided it, but before they freed it. There was a fixed wire and a couple of 1/4" bolts if I recall correctly, so it was a mixed line even then. But Foster did rings in college, was / is fearless to a fault, soloed a few 12s, and we lived for doing roofs so it wasn't much of a stretch for him. I was actually sketching on it way more following than he did on lead. Â Edit: It would have been on my old rack that was later stolen so it would have been on nuts and original Friends of which I had a double sets. As I recall I freed up to the base of Silver Crow going out left from the Pipeline anchor after we finished Stone Rodeo. It was a good day and we hadn't seen each other in quite awhile. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 from sunny and not a cloud in the sky too partly cloudy with a chance of showers was it really worth mentioning in the first place joseph    don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, out joseph mouth in form of hot air and up our asses like 40 grit sand paper  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 Not at all, if those dates on SR aren't correct then it's entirely possible my friend merely got the third free ascent of it. Originally Posted By: JosephH When we got on it we coincidentally and without realizing it had squeaked in after Bob had aided it, but before they freed it. There was a fixed wire and a couple of 1/4" bolts if I recall correctly, so it was a mixed line even then. But Foster did rings in college, was / is fearless to a fault, soloed a few 12s, and we lived for doing roofs so it wasn't much of a stretch for him. I was actually sketching on it way more following than he did on lead. Â Edit: It would have been on my old rack that was later stolen so it would have been on nuts and original Friends of which I had a double sets. As I recall I freed up to the base of Silver Crow going out left from the Pipeline anchor after we finished Stone Rodeo. It was a good day and we hadn't seen each other in quite awhile. Your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 You gonna be out at Beacon tomorrow? Will be trying to get out in the afternoon, but will definitely be out for this month's full moon go on YW around 9-10pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 .. out joseph mouth in form of hot air and up our asses like 40 grit sand paper As always, feel free to point out when something I say about Beacon isn't either fact or clearly delineated as my opinion. And gee whiz, if the fact I do stuff out there or post here chaps your already hard-driven asses I'll take that as bonus points and see what I can do in the way of finding some 20-grit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 i don't commonly see 20 grit on the shelves, even with deck sanders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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