jport Posted March 17, 2008 Posted March 17, 2008 What are the main differences between Grivel's Evolution and Goulottes picks? Which would you recommend for moderate Pacific Northwest ice? I will not be mixed climbing with these tools... unless it gets spicy on an alpine route! Any recommendations/advice/suggestions are welcome. Thanks. Quote
fenderfour Posted March 17, 2008 Posted March 17, 2008 The Evo is the B rated pick, I think... If you aren't goign to be torquing it, the Evo will probably be a little better if you find some brittle ice. Most of the ice around her eis shitty or fairly plastic, so wither one would be ok. What tools are you using? Quote
fenderfour Posted March 17, 2008 Posted March 17, 2008 Whatever you currently have will be fine. If you are buying new picks, I would recommend the Evos. You may encounter harder ice and want better penetration. Quote
genepires Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 the goulottes are thicker in several facets. they are definately more durable but shatter the ice more. if you were doing something where breaking a pick is bad and the ice is soft (alpine like) then the goulotte is ok. I have used the goulotte on winter ice and it works ok. The evo doesn't shatter ice that bad. Just my opinion but the evo are for winter ice climbing. Goulotte is for alpine climbing. But if you only wanted one pick, the evo is the one. (which you probably already have) Quote
jport Posted March 18, 2008 Author Posted March 18, 2008 Would it be foolish to climb with one Evolution pick and one Goulottes pick? It looks like their geometry is close... Will they perform similarly? Quote
genepires Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 I would think the swing would be slightly different. I used to climb with different tools (with different swings) and I still managed to get up wi-2's and such. I wouldn't call it foolish. But i am easy going. others with stick up their ass may say otherwise. Quote
Matt Kidd Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 Hard to forget the video of Steve House on gear used on Nanga Parbat - Using entirely different tools. A lot can be done without the "ideal", so I wouldn't worry about it too much. If it happens that you need new picks then I would go for consistency, but otherwise I would just switch hands once in a while so you get used to swinging both. Just my opinion, good luck! Quote
Dane Posted March 19, 2008 Posted March 19, 2008 What Matt said. Many hard WI5 and WI6 and lots of difficult mixed were climbed with a traditional curved tool in one hand and a reverse curved tool in the other. Picks no where near the same for placement or displacement. We use to think (and I still do) that there can be some advantage to that. Quote
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