lI1|1! Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 i'm all hopped up on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmuja Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 ..August 21st found out my blood sugar was high and am now taking meds for that daily. Â How can they make rye whiskey with little/no sugar? Â Unless yr a juicer (Chronic Alchy) Id be looking at my diet a little more than the Whiskey. Â Given what has become the "normal" diet for the average person today (overall we consume about 25% more sugar in the last twenty years on average, and an amazing 27X more than what was likely the average circa 1890) its no wonder that high blood sugar and pre-diabetic conditions are so common. Â Our diet today is poinsening us in so many ways and leading to (increase in allergies etc?) the quick fix solution which is like playing russian roulette. Our common solution to upsetting our natual healthy chemistry with a bad diet and no excersize is to try to chemically counter the effects. This being so prevalent as an attitude just seems like the wrong approach imo. Â I wonder how a low glycemic index diet w increase H2O and excersize program would impact your "need" for the meds? Maybe youve already tried that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 35 yr old male - never spent a night in the hospital - never been on prescription meds except stdrd anti-biotics for illness. Â *knock knock* 8==> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Like Bill Maher said the other night: "Hillary's health plan contains the word 'drugs' fourteen times. 'Diet and exercise,' once...just as the pharmaceutical companies wanted it." Â Unbelievable. Hey wait a minute here... Â Do we really want the government in our lives this way? Now they are the nanny who has to tell us over and over again that we need to eat right and move around? I don't think that is their responsibility, is it? Â I want my health plan to cover my docs and my meds. I'd like it if it (or my company) would help with my gym membership--or at least let me use my FSA/HSA to pay for it. But I don't need them telling me that I shouldn't get fat--especially after they deduct part of my pay check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Do we really want the government in our lives this way? Now they are the nanny who has to tell us over and over again that we need to eat right and move around? I don't think that is their responsibility, is it? Â If the gov't is going to manage health care, and I'm gonna help pay for it then, yes, I want the government to tell lardasses to exercise and eat better. That's a big part of the reason people have health problems in the US, and costs are rising. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I agree, and I'd like to see programs in place to get people to take better care of themselves. I don't think our gov't can do that. I think the Microsoft example is a better direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I agree, and I'd like to see programs in place to get people to take better care of themselves. I don't think our gov't can do that. I think the Microsoft example is a better direction. Â I used to be about 20 lbs heavier btw, and no doctor ever told me to lose weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Proof that it isn't necessary for the gov't to get involved in getting people to lead a healthier lifestyle. Â And congrats on your loss--that is a hell of an achievement! Especially as we get older.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Like Bill Maher said the other night: "Hillary's health plan contains the word 'drugs' fourteen times. 'Diet and exercise,' once...just as the pharmaceutical companies wanted it." Â Unbelievable. Hey wait a minute here... Â Do we really want the government in our lives this way? Now they are the nanny who has to tell us over and over again that we need to eat right and move around? I don't think that is their responsibility, is it? Â I want my health plan to cover my docs and my meds. I'd like it if it (or my company) would help with my gym membership--or at least let me use my FSA/HSA to pay for it. But I don't need them telling me that I shouldn't get fat--especially after they deduct part of my pay check. Â Given that the "we bear the costs of your behavior, so we have the right to regulate it" argument has brought us compulsory seat-belt and helmet laws, it's not a stretch to imagine that there are those who would seek to use the same argument to grant the government the right to do the very things that you mention. Whether the government would actually do so is an open question, and it would be interesting to learn more about how other countries have managed to reconcile the imperative to cut costs with the necessity of maintaining personal freedoms that might be curtailed or regulated by the state - from what you eat to what you weigh. Â I'd have no problem with a private company rewarding healthy behaviors with lower premiums, and punishing unhealthy ones with higher rates, but placing a coercive power of this magnitude in the hands of the state seems fraught with quite a few more risks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Proof that it isn't necessary for the gov't to get involved in getting people to lead a healthier lifestyle. Â And congrats on your loss--that is a hell of an achievement! Especially as we get older.... Â I lost 8 lbs on Rainier. I never found it again. :-))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Like Bill Maher said the other night: "Hillary's health plan contains the word 'drugs' fourteen times. 'Diet and exercise,' once...just as the pharmaceutical companies wanted it." Â Unbelievable. Hey wait a minute here... Â Do we really want the government in our lives this way? Now they are the nanny who has to tell us over and over again that we need to eat right and move around? I don't think that is their responsibility, is it? Â I want my health plan to cover my docs and my meds. I'd like it if it (or my company) would help with my gym membership--or at least let me use my FSA/HSA to pay for it. But I don't need them telling me that I shouldn't get fat--especially after they deduct part of my pay check. Â Given that the "we bear the costs of your behavior, so we have the right to regulate it" argument has brought us compulsory seat-belt and helmet laws, it's not a stretch to imagine that there are those who would seek to use the same argument to grant the government the right to do the very things that you mention. Whether the government would actually do so is an open question, and it would be interesting to learn more about how other countries have managed to reconcile the imperative to cut costs with the necessity of maintaining personal freedoms that might be curtailed or regulated by the state - from what you eat to what you weigh. Â I'd have no problem with a private company rewarding healthy behaviors with lower premiums, and punishing unhealthy ones with higher rates, but placing a coercive power of this magnitude in the hands of the state seems fraught with quite a few more risks. Â Do those other countries with health care have as many lardasses as we do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No. 13 Baby Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 (edited) Keep the government out of my cupboard. When it comes to Twinkies, I have only five words for you . . . From my cold, dead hands! Edited October 2, 2007 by No. 13 Baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Like Bill Maher said the other night: "Hillary's health plan contains the word 'drugs' fourteen times. 'Diet and exercise,' once...just as the pharmaceutical companies wanted it." Â Unbelievable. Hey wait a minute here... Â Do we really want the government in our lives this way? Now they are the nanny who has to tell us over and over again that we need to eat right and move around? I don't think that is their responsibility, is it? Â I want my health plan to cover my docs and my meds. I'd like it if it (or my company) would help with my gym membership--or at least let me use my FSA/HSA to pay for it. But I don't need them telling me that I shouldn't get fat--especially after they deduct part of my pay check. Â Given that the "we bear the costs of your behavior, so we have the right to regulate it" argument has brought us compulsory seat-belt and helmet laws, it's not a stretch to imagine that there are those who would seek to use the same argument to grant the government the right to do the very things that you mention. Whether the government would actually do so is an open question, and it would be interesting to learn more about how other countries have managed to reconcile the imperative to cut costs with the necessity of maintaining personal freedoms that might be curtailed or regulated by the state - from what you eat to what you weigh. Â I'd have no problem with a private company rewarding healthy behaviors with lower premiums, and punishing unhealthy ones with higher rates, but placing a coercive power of this magnitude in the hands of the state seems fraught with quite a few more risks. The one thing I'd like to see included in health care coverage is the LAP band (I may be writing this wrong) thingy. It's easy and it helps people. But endlessly covering all the meds req'd to keep a fat person alive (certain diabetes, blood pressure meds, etc etc) is unfair to the system. As you know, some other countries manage their costs by not just giving everybody every procedure and med they ask for. Rationing healthcare is reasonable. Â And I agree 100% with your second paragraph. Smokers had to pay more. Fatties should have to pay more. Â Oh, and tax the shit out of unhealthy, worthless junkfood just like they tax cigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I'm not sure, but that seems kind of immaterial with respect to my concerns about what could happen when the expenses associated with unhealthy behaviors give the government the motive, when it already has the means (nationalized health care) to prohibit a broader scope of behavior which harms no one other than the individual who engages in it (I realize that we're already there with regards to drug policy, but I don't see this as an argument for expanding these powers). Â I'm sure that they have a higher percentage of smokers, so it would be interesting to see how they address that in their policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Oh, and tax the shit out of unhealthy, worthless junkfood just like they tax cigs. Â Just don't tax my booze anymore. Â you can tax all the low-end stuff all you want though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Like Bill Maher said the other night: "Hillary's health plan contains the word 'drugs' fourteen times. 'Diet and exercise,' once...just as the pharmaceutical companies wanted it." Â Unbelievable. Hey wait a minute here... Â Do we really want the government in our lives this way? Now they are the nanny who has to tell us over and over again that we need to eat right and move around? I don't think that is their responsibility, is it? Â I want my health plan to cover my docs and my meds. I'd like it if it (or my company) would help with my gym membership--or at least let me use my FSA/HSA to pay for it. But I don't need them telling me that I shouldn't get fat--especially after they deduct part of my pay check. Â Given that the "we bear the costs of your behavior, so we have the right to regulate it" argument has brought us compulsory seat-belt and helmet laws, it's not a stretch to imagine that there are those who would seek to use the same argument to grant the government the right to do the very things that you mention. Whether the government would actually do so is an open question, and it would be interesting to learn more about how other countries have managed to reconcile the imperative to cut costs with the necessity of maintaining personal freedoms that might be curtailed or regulated by the state - from what you eat to what you weigh. Â I'd have no problem with a private company rewarding healthy behaviors with lower premiums, and punishing unhealthy ones with higher rates, but placing a coercive power of this magnitude in the hands of the state seems fraught with quite a few more risks. The one thing I'd like to see included in health care coverage is the LAP band (I may be writing this wrong) thingy. It's easy and it helps people. But endlessly covering all the meds req'd to keep a fat person alive (certain diabetes, blood pressure meds, etc etc) is unfair to the system. As you know, some other countries manage their costs by not just giving everybody every procedure and med they ask for. Rationing healthcare is reasonable. Â And I agree 100% with your second paragraph. Smokers had to pay more. Fatties should have to pay more. Â Oh, and tax the shit out of unhealthy, worthless junkfood just like they tax cigs. Â I couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 What do you weigh these days? 175? [KK, not Muffy] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 What do you weigh these days? 175? [KK, not Muffy] Â Yes, exactly. I was about 168 when I graduated UW, ballooned to 194 shortly after and stayed between 189 and 194 for about 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 What do you weigh these days? 175? [KK, not Muffy] Â i would tell you i am not shy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 You are perfect--that's what you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 You are perfect--that's what you are. Â Â Â xoxoxooxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 i think i'm getting a clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Guy Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I find it bizarre and funny that the side-effects of some medications seem worse than what they're treating. Pretty ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 i think i'm getting a clue  you always have a clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I find it bizarre and funny that the side-effects of some medications seem worse than what they're treating. Pretty ridiculous. Â are you talking about radiation therapy or something else? Â the treatment for cancer is as nasty as the disease.... but most medication if given to someone with a disease actually help. the trouble is when medication is given to someone who doesn't have the disease. or any disease... i find that we are an over medicated society. people want a pill to resolve everything. most things need time and healthy habits. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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