Hook Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Not exactly great entertainment either. The national media seems to think I need to know the heights of Denali & Whitney and the wind speed in CO. How about the specifics of the so called note (aka climbers' registration?)? Anyone....? Hook
randita Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 I'm a newbie, so pardon my ignorance. Is there any significance to a "wishbone shape"? Is it a symbol meant to convey a specific message like SOS?
Zeta Male Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Sometime early Thursday morning, the men, who have not been identified by authorities, slipped a handwritten note in the mail slot of the office for the Hood River National Forest, said Doug Jones, permit specialist with the Mount Hood National Forest. “We don’t see these very often,” Jones said. All entry points into the wilderness have self-issue permit boxes where climbers and hikers are supposed to leave their permits to enter the forest, “but they are not really kept up during the winter,” Jones said. He said there is no climbing register where the men started their climb. He said there is a permit box, but since they are not from the area it is likely they did not spot it, Jones said. The climbers instead jotted a note and left it at the forest office on Oregon 35, south of Hood River. He said in the brief note they said they planned to take the route through the coulirs, or canyons, on the north face, “which tells me that they are probably going up to the right side of Elliot Glacier,” Jones said. “The Cooper Spur route goes left. There are no coulirs up there.” Uggghh. I must say I'm very impressed with the lengths the missing guys took to let folks know what their plans were.
randita Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 From KATU.com: "December 17, 2006 - Portland, Oregon Major developments expected Sunday in search for climbers, officials say HOOD RIVER, Ore. (AP) - Search teams headed for the summit of Mount Hood on Sunday, hoping to find the snow cave where one of three missing climbers made a distress call a week ago as well as any other signs of the stranded mountaineers. Rescue official also said Sunday that air search teams had spotted some "positive" signs that are helping them narrow their search to specific areas on the mountain. Capt. Christopher Bernard, of the Air Force Reserve's 304th Rescue Squadron, wouldn't say exactly what was spotted, other than it is "climbing specific." Search teams are headed to those areas where indicators where found. More at katu.com
butabiscut Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 hey heres a link for info about the "horseshoe" shape and the "positive" finding form Portland. http://www.oregonlive.com/newslogs/oregonian/index.ssf?/mtlogs/olive_oregonian_news/archives/2006_12.html#216509
Elleth Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 From Oregonlive.com "Though search officials expected the first team up the mountain to reach the peak by 10 a.m., those searchers were still shy of the top by 10:45 a.m."
btowle Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Wishbone shape: When you dig a snowcave, you have to put the snow somewhere that you take out of the cave. You normally start piling it on each side of the opening and, because of the effort to heft heavy shovels of snow too high, keep piling it down the hill from the entrance. From the air this would sometimes look like a wishbone.
mrd Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 ...The searchers do what they do knowing all the risks and if they should die it would be doing what they love to do. Who could ask for more? Pray hard for all. ...and what's that supposed to mean? What are You waiting for then? I will pray hard for you!!!
ihuntifish Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Sorry didn't mean to offend you. I just meant that I know that if something happened to my brother on that mountain I could take solice in knowing he was doing a job he feels is important. HE loves that mountain and loves to climb it
randita Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 That article says the "horseshoe shaped" object looked like it could be rope. If something like rope is visible from the air now, wouldn't it have to be placed there recently -- after it had stopped snowing within the past day or two? In fact, wouldn't anything on top of the snow that could be seen have to have been placed there recently because if it were placed there days ago, wouldn't it be covered by snow? We have reports of a "wishbone shaped" object and a "horseshoe shaped" object. My guess is that they're one in the same with just different words being used to describe the same object.
mrd Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Sorry didn't mean to offend you. I just meant that I know that if something happened to my brother on that mountain I could take solice in knowing he was doing a job he feels is important. HE loves that mountain and loves to climb it That is how I thought before I found my friend dead in the mountains. I do not want to die in the mountains any more no matter what! However, I am still aware of it and accept it any time I go there. So do not confuse this with the "Vertical Limit" movie. The real mountains are not a Hollywood studio. Why would you even ask to sacrifice a new life for someone who chose to die?
finger of fate Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Well... with the winds as they are, any recent snow accumulation could have been blown off of, for instance, a frozen rope set down earlier.
LHwildcats76 Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 We have reports of a "wishbone shaped" object and a "horseshoe shaped" object. My guess is that they're one in the same with just different words being used to describe the same object. When I see a 'Y' I don't call it a 'U' or vice-versa.
Elleth Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 BREAKING NEWS: Searchers find signs of one of the climbers A helicopter surveying the Mount Hood summit this morning has captured images of what appears to be a snow cave, scattered equipment and what looks like frozen tracks in the snow. Search organizers plan to airlift pararescuers to the summit by helicopter so they can make their way to the area by foot.
finger of fate Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Stranger good point - "The real mountains are not a Hollywood studio. Why would you even ask to sacrifice a new life for someone who chose to die? " When my team prepares to leave for a potential/hopeful rescue, I ask them to make sure that each move they/we make includes the potential impact it will have on those waiting for us and those who might need to help us. Same thing is done in the wildland firefighting world.
utah Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 BREAKING NEWS: Searchers find signs of one of the climbers A helicopter surveying the Mount Hood summit this morning has captured images of what appears to be a snow cave, scattered equipment and what looks like frozen tracks in the snow. Search organizers plan to airlift pararescuers to the summit by helicopter so they can make their way to the area by foot. oregonlive.com
mrd Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 BREAKING NEWS: ... Search organizers plan to airlift pararescuers to the summit by helicopter so they can make their way to the area by foot. Finaly!!!
high_on_rock Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 Come on folks, no one chose to die, all are there because they want to live. The next question is whether they will find one, two, or three in the snowcave within the next couple hours? Would they prefer hot chocolate or hot food? Gonna be a great story when they tell it! E
carolyn Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 The compassion and concern on this thread is both inspiring and encouraging. Wishing everyone involved continued strength and courage. sickie
Zeta Male Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 jfmctlaw I do the same. I turn off the GPS when in town just because big brother is watching, not that I worried it just wierd to know someone can track you everywhere. My frequented climbing places have no cell service so I carry an EPIRB and a HAM radio for my self rescue/communication solution. Good point. Where is Lleth getting his info? I'm skeptical because the News doesn't have anything yet. Another excellent, informative post - potentially a life-saver (as was the one about the importance of having a cell-phone with analog capability). I wasn't aware there were such things as portable HAM radios. The only people I know who are into HAM radios have a 20' mast on the side of their houses. Does an EPIRB have any advantages over an MLU? Maybe the MLU's just work at Mt. Hood, whereas the EPIRB's work worldwide? For those of you who want to reach out and touch someone just about anywhere on earth (whether you need to or not): http://www.cnet.com/4144-5_1-0.html?target=http://cnet.search.com/search?chkpt=astg.cnet.fd.search.cnet&query=satellite%20telephone&q=satellite%20telephone&tag=srch (the "Sponsored Links" section may be the best place to start).
HRres Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 I'm in Hood River and have been listening to the planes and choppers all weekend hoping for good news. Glad to hear they've found something and praying that these guys can come down today. Godspeed!
Lambone Posted December 17, 2006 Posted December 17, 2006 please start a new thread to discuss gear and technology, this thread is about three guys figting for survival.
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