dbconlin Posted October 23, 2006 Posted October 23, 2006 If you have a large pack you will fill it. I totally disagree! Everyone says so, but if you are a dedicated alpinist and weight matters, you will minimize it no matter what size your pack is. I have carried a 60L pack while my partner carried a 30L, but I bet the difference in weight was negligible (and I had a lot less stuff hanging on the outside). This is on a carry-over route on Rainier and I will admit that when weight is not so crucial, I may pack in a few extras, which I can because my pack is big enough. And when you are backpacking, not carrying your pack 10,000 vertical feet over the top of a huge mountain, it may be worth it to pack those luxuries. That said, skiing with a heavy pack sucks. Quote
crackers Posted October 23, 2006 Posted October 23, 2006 Ha ha. But if you are small, you probably weigh a lot less yet still have to carry the same weight of fuel, stove, climbing gear (!), etc. I find that I am usually carrying a higher proportion of my body weight on my back than most people I climb with even though I have my system pretty dialed/lightweight/minimal! That's the same argument Kelly tries to use on me. I don't buy it. You're such a bad ass climber that you don't really need a tent or any of that stuff, right? Unfortunately, I have to admit that it's true. I can carry 120 pounds around for a mile or two without too much effort. I doubt that kelly can as easily... As for "filling the pack", come on...I thought you were a disciplined person? I carry one of my 60L's around with the sides closed down all the time. Personally, I sometimes find it nice to have extra room in the pack so I don't have to pack well. I guess I'm just lazy. Quote
Arc Posted October 25, 2006 Posted October 25, 2006 Hey Crackers, you set a couple of good points in stone, and I back ya up on them... ...except for one. A person of smaller stature needs less energy than one of your proportions. Giving consideration to that; less snow melting = less fuel, and less water at hand. The rest is just personal math guys. Quote
gearup5000 Posted November 4, 2006 Posted November 4, 2006 ^^Yeah, certain things have bare minimum weights and lighter wieght ppl have a higher weight to body weight ratio. Sucks, but that's the way it is! Quote
Nick Posted November 28, 2006 Posted November 28, 2006 goldenchild, sounds like a normal list of stuff to carry in the winter, but maybe the specific items you use are bulkier than what some of us carry. I am average sized, I carry size large garments in winter, but I pick stuff that stuffs small, don't carry duplicates (other than socks and gloves). If I carry a tent it's a very small one. I can get everything in a Granite Gear Virga, a pack that weighs less than 2 pounds but is roomy enough. Sometimes I choose a sturdier pack, or a larger one, but never one that weighs more than 3 or 4 pounds. I don't like skiing with a pack that has a frame. Quote
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