Crampons?

[PBRstreetgang]

Grivel G12 or BD sabertooth?

[dbconlin]

sabertooth

[Fromage]

P-C Vasak. Lighter and better.

[bigbro]

Depends on the boot. If your looking to buy, try your boot out on several brands. Some will fit better than others. FYI my partner had an issue with fitting an older set of sabertooths to Trango Ice boots.

[MattStan]

Go with either the Vasak or the G12. Their respective integrations of the antibott (anti-balling) platform are much better than BD's.

[dbconlin]

i'm very happy with my sabretooth anti-botts, much better than those on my m-10s (which of course are not in consideration here...)

 

i do believe at least the vasaks are lighter, but better...??? It may depend on what you want to climb. I think sabretooths are very good at steep ice as well as moderate. I have not tried the others, but my impression is maybe not so good on the steeps.

Edited June 6, 2006 by dbconlin

[Chad_A]

True, it does depend on what you want to do with them.

 

I had a pair of G12s until they were stolen. Liked them quite a bit.

 

The guy I just did the route on the Grand with, swears by Sabretooths. Climbs steep ice in them (WI5+), and says that the flat, horizontal frontpoints fit well into horizontal cracks while doing difficult mixed stuff.

[carolyn]

True, it does depend on what you want to do with them.

 

Unless you have sabretooths....then it doesnt matter. Like your friend says, they do it all.

[chris]

In my experience, G12's climb ice better. Sabretooths climb rock better. I have both. I use the G12's more often.