Bronco Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 What we do know is that many of the pictures were taken by one of the female grunts who was having "fun" at the expense of these prisoners, most of whom (60%) by the army's estimate are innocent of anything. One of the men featured in the pictures which have been made public has talked to the LA Times and this was a man who had welcomed the arrival of US troops but was arrested and held for many months for being a passenger in a vehicle with no registration papers aboard.  I read a similar article last weekend in the Seattle Times but recall different bits of info. As I recall, the man in question was arrested for jumping out of a taxi and running from US Guards at a checkpoint. He was a former Republican Guard member and had been serving in the regular Iraqi army when the US invaded. Not quite as innocent as the LA times makes him out to be. Quote
chucK Posted May 10, 2004 Author Posted May 10, 2004 Yep, classic conspiracy theory, total conjecture. I just started this thread out because I just couldn't figure out what anyone would want with those pictures. I realize that many of these soldiers are probably total dumbshits from rural nowhereland, but I wasn't aware that in rural nowhereland that a picture of yourself as torturer was an exciting souvenir. But, you could be right. Â Like I said in another post: These US soldiers are living in an unreal hellish world. I mean, they are part of a force that is bulldozing people's houses, bombing whole buildings full of people, shooting into crowds, etc.... compare the recent torture pictures to that video posted a while ago of three sitting-duck insurgents being turned into sloppy joe by a high-caliber machine gunner with night vision technology. I can see how someone over there could become numb to death, pain and mutilation and easily fall into torture. Check out that Stanford Prison Experiment websight. In that, the head PhD researcher started losing himself in that roleplaying, while in the cush confines of Stanford University. Imagine what can happen to your run-of-the-mill soldiers who joined the Army for the money once immersed in the hellish situation that must like to be an American soldier in Iraq right now. Â Anyway...the above paragraph is not to excuse the behaviour of the camera-mugging torturers. I guess it is to say that this kind of shit just happens. When you invade another country with 100,000+ troops and occupy a hostile population, ugly shit is just gonna happen. People who were for this war from the beginning should have known this. If not, they were/are uninformed. War is messy. People get hurt. Torturing, mayhem, death defines and is commonplace in war. Â The fault for the torturing is with those six scapegoats, but it's also with everyone who has supported this administration's rush to war. Â Maybe via this war we have saved countless peoples from torture under Saddam. You can praise yourselves for that undetermined number, but if you take credit for that, you also gotta take responsibility for the tortured, raped, killed in the detention centers, for the thousands killed by US bombs, guns, tanks etc. And finally, for the thousands of US soldiers injured and/or disabled, and for the 770 US soldiers killed. So far. Quote
Bronco Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 I realize that many of these soldiers are probably total dumbshits from rural nowhereland, but I wasn't aware that in rural nowhereland that a picture of yourself as torturer was an exciting souvenir. Â Clearly just dumb, uneducated country folk. Quote
Martlet Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 What the hell is a 'moonbat'? Â marylou, you almost fit the definition of moonbat perfectly. The fact that you don't understand it, only bolsters the moniker. Quote
cracked Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 Allison, I think that this is what the young republican preppie piece of shit....is referring to. Quote
Mal_Con Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 Two possibilities: Â 1. (most likely) They were ordered to take the pictures in order to cow other Iraqis into cooperator. Â 2. They were auditioning for the new reality show "Americas Dumbest War Criminals". Quote
icegirl Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 Hmmm... where is GregW? wait... hmm... martlet? Quote
cracked Posted May 10, 2004 Posted May 10, 2004 Martlet hasn't started a gun thread yet, though.... Quote
Martlet Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 What the hell is a 'martlet' anyway? Â Google it. Quote
murraysovereign Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 What the hell is a 'martlet' anyway? Â It's the student newspaper at the University of Victoria. Bunch of whiny bleeding heart sociology majors. Quote
murraysovereign Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 I'm a yank, though. Â That's OK - you can still be a whiny bleeding heart sociology major from UVic: it's not like it's a really exclusive club. Quote
marylou Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 Heh, it's also a bird without feet. Â That's some piss-poor evolution there. Quote
Martlet Posted May 11, 2004 Posted May 11, 2004 Heh, it's also a bird without feet. That's some piss-poor evolution there.  Holy Crap, the moonbat gets it! I may decide I like you eventually. Quote
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