Fire Everyone Again

[olyclimber]

There is plenty being said these days I don’t like that I don’t respond to. You made a comment about me in a conversation with me. What planet do you live on where somone wouldn’t respond to that? 😂😂😂

[KaskadskyjKozak]

On 4/18/2025 at 1:51 PM, olyclimber said:

What planet do you live on where somone wouldn’t respond to that? 😂😂😂

Uranus?  🪐

[Fairweather]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/activists-unfurl-trans-pride-flag-on-iconic-yosemite-cliff-hate-is-unnatural/ar-AA1FdKxT?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

Again, imagine a MAGA banner hanging from NA Wall and what the NPS response would be. And again, this is an NPS management problem. Fire everyone at Yosemite; rehire and reassign the handful who may not be ok with this.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

they should stick to cutting bolts on Forbidden, and keeping the cat scratch gully rappels as dangerous as possible.  priorities, people!  

 

[olyclimber]

On 5/21/2025 at 12:38 PM, Fairweather said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/activists-unfurl-trans-pride-flag-on-iconic-yosemite-cliff-hate-is-unnatural/ar-AA1FdKxT?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

Again, imagine a MAGA banner hanging from NA Wall and what the NPS response would be. And again, this is an NPS management problem. Fire everyone at Yosemite; rehire and reassign the handful who may not be ok with this.

Go hang a maga flag. Find out. My guess would be that some people would roll their eyes. And those people would be hailed as champions of your great autocrat. And then life would go on. Amazing “what if” though!

[Fairweather]

Trans Is Natural! Well, except for all those hormone injections and scalpels and stuff. It's a mixed up world, a shook up world...

[olyclimber]

Sure is. Other people and what they do to their bodies is difficult to understand.  When should big government step in?

 

[Fairweather]

1 hour ago, olyclimber said:

Sure is. Other people and what they do to their bodies is difficult to understand.  When should big government step in?

 

 

That's easy--when parents and teachers start mutilating God's beautiful children. Or when a man demands I call him a woman under threat of career--or even law. That's when. 

[olyclimber]

51 minutes ago, Fairweather said:

That's easy--when parents and teachers start mutilating God's beautiful children. Or when a man demands I call him a woman under threat of career--or even law. That's when. 

Whose god? The one appointed by the government?

 I’m with you about children.

I’m old enough I can’t seem to adjust to all the “what people choose to be called” thing. I’ve tried, but failed almost every time.  But what adults choose to be or call themselves, I don’t care.  
 

bizarre leap you’re making there to call for  firing all Yosemite NPS because a third party did a protest. They are removing the flag.  Are they supposed to line up the protesters and shoot them? What is the First Amendment?

 

 

 

 

[Fairweather]

4 hours ago, olyclimber said:

Whose god? The one appointed by the government?

 I’m with you about children.

I’m old enough I can’t seem to adjust to all the “what people choose to be called” thing. I’ve tried, but failed almost every time.  But what adults choose to be or call themselves, I don’t care.  
 

bizarre leap you’re making there to call for  firing all Yosemite NPS because a third party did a protest. They are removing the flag.  Are they supposed to line up the protesters and shoot them? What is the First Amendment?

 

 

 

 

Whose God? Ours. The One proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence, the Pledge of Allegiance, and most State Constitutions--including Washington State's.

Kids, we agree. I don't even think parents should have the right to alter their children--much less their public school teachers. Adults? Like you, I don;t really care--until they start stealing my granddaughter's trophy or scholarship and make absurd demands that I "properly" gender them.  I choose to not participate in a fantasy. Sorry, O'Brien, but two plus two does not equal five. Men cannot become women. They don;t menstruate. They can't have children.

Re Yosemite NP, well, what's bizarre is hanging a giant banner proclaiming that "Trans is Natural." But my complaint is entrenched government meting out different responses to different interests. The first amendment doesn't include defacing national parks--or impersonating a federal LEO.   

 

Edited Thursday at 10:09 PM by Fairweather

[olyclimber]

I respect your religion though I can’t say I share your god. You’re believing for both of us I guess.  Is your god in the Constitution of the USA? Isn’t there something about separation of church and state? 

 

[Fairweather]

4 hours ago, olyclimber said:

 Is your god in the Constitution of the USA? Isn’t there something about separation of church and state? 

 

No to both questions. The myth of separation comes from the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

If there is no God, then to whom do we answer? The state?

 

[olyclimber]

The establishment clause states that separation, it does not mythologize it.  But then that is like all law, subject to interpretation. You clearly have your own interpretation.

who do we answer to? Clearly that is an individual choice as well, in practice. I don’t answer to your god, or do I? Or is it you answering to mine?  I am not so arrogant as to say I could answer any of this.  I answer to my family. I answer to trying to be kind to others (I don’t always succeed). I don’t answer to some mythical deity.  I always welcome the truth. If your god wants me then he will have to convince me he exists. 

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Whether there is a God or not, or whether one's view of God is different from another, I think there are some fundamental principles we should be able to agree on.

We don't let children buy guns, drink alcohol, or drive cars.  Making permanent decisions like sex-change operations seems pretty obviously to fall into the realm of inappropriate for young, undeveloped minds. And a gov't dictating that parents must support such decisions or lose their children seems blatantly wrong.  I don't need a concept of God to know that.

Edited 1 hour ago by KaskadskyjKozak

[Fairweather]

1 hour ago, olyclimber said:

 

who do we answer to? Clearly that is an individual choice as well, in practice. I don’t answer to your god, or do I? Or is it you answering to mine?  I am not so arrogant as to say I could answer any of this.  I answer to my family. I answer to trying to be kind to others (I don’t always succeed). I don’t answer to some mythical deity.  I always welcome the truth. If your god wants me then he will have to convince me he exists. 

 

What you describe is nihilism. And according to Neitzsche, if God is dead then all bets are off. We can do whatever we want without consequence. He died in 1900 and, as he predicted, 20th century faith in government resulted in the biggest bloodbaths in human history. When government supplants God, nothing good happens. This explains why leftist, progressive and liberal governments tolerate, or even lead, attacks on believers and traditional family. Because these two institutions are its only real competitors.  Truth is, atheists don't bother me--but far too many of them behave like anti-theists. And their proselytizing sounds a lot like the words they claim to despise.