Fire Everyone Again

[olyclimber]

There is plenty being said these days I don’t like that I don’t respond to. You made a comment about me in a conversation with me. What planet do you live on where somone wouldn’t respond to that? 😂😂😂

[KaskadskyjKozak]

On 4/18/2025 at 1:51 PM, olyclimber said:

What planet do you live on where somone wouldn’t respond to that? 😂😂😂

Uranus?  🪐

[Fairweather]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/activists-unfurl-trans-pride-flag-on-iconic-yosemite-cliff-hate-is-unnatural/ar-AA1FdKxT?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

Again, imagine a MAGA banner hanging from NA Wall and what the NPS response would be. And again, this is an NPS management problem. Fire everyone at Yosemite; rehire and reassign the handful who may not be ok with this.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

they should stick to cutting bolts on Forbidden, and keeping the cat scratch gully rappels as dangerous as possible.  priorities, people!  

 

[olyclimber]

On 5/21/2025 at 12:38 PM, Fairweather said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/activists-unfurl-trans-pride-flag-on-iconic-yosemite-cliff-hate-is-unnatural/ar-AA1FdKxT?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

Again, imagine a MAGA banner hanging from NA Wall and what the NPS response would be. And again, this is an NPS management problem. Fire everyone at Yosemite; rehire and reassign the handful who may not be ok with this.

Go hang a maga flag. Find out. My guess would be that some people would roll their eyes. And those people would be hailed as champions of your great autocrat. And then life would go on. Amazing “what if” though!

[Fairweather]

Trans Is Natural! Well, except for all those hormone injections and scalpels and stuff. It's a mixed up world, a shook up world...

[olyclimber]

Sure is. Other people and what they do to their bodies is difficult to understand.  When should big government step in?

 

[Fairweather]

1 hour ago, olyclimber said:

Sure is. Other people and what they do to their bodies is difficult to understand.  When should big government step in?

 

 

That's easy--when parents and teachers start mutilating God's beautiful children. Or when a man demands I call him a woman under threat of career--or even law. That's when. 

[olyclimber]

51 minutes ago, Fairweather said:

That's easy--when parents and teachers start mutilating God's beautiful children. Or when a man demands I call him a woman under threat of career--or even law. That's when. 

Whose god? The one appointed by the government?

 I’m with you about children.

I’m old enough I can’t seem to adjust to all the “what people choose to be called” thing. I’ve tried, but failed almost every time.  But what adults choose to be or call themselves, I don’t care.  
 

bizarre leap you’re making there to call for  firing all Yosemite NPS because a third party did a protest. They are removing the flag.  Are they supposed to line up the protesters and shoot them? What is the First Amendment?

 

 

 

 

[Fairweather]

4 hours ago, olyclimber said:

Whose god? The one appointed by the government?

 I’m with you about children.

I’m old enough I can’t seem to adjust to all the “what people choose to be called” thing. I’ve tried, but failed almost every time.  But what adults choose to be or call themselves, I don’t care.  
 

bizarre leap you’re making there to call for  firing all Yosemite NPS because a third party did a protest. They are removing the flag.  Are they supposed to line up the protesters and shoot them? What is the First Amendment?

 

 

 

 

Whose God? Ours. The One proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence, the Pledge of Allegiance, and most State Constitutions--including Washington State's.

Kids, we agree. I don't even think parents should have the right to alter their children--much less their public school teachers. Adults? Like you, I don;t really care--until they start stealing my granddaughter's trophy or scholarship and make absurd demands that I "properly" gender them.  I choose to not participate in a fantasy. Sorry, O'Brien, but two plus two does not equal five. Men cannot become women. They don;t menstruate. They can't have children.

Re Yosemite NP, well, what's bizarre is hanging a giant banner proclaiming that "Trans is Natural." But my complaint is entrenched government meting out different responses to different interests. The first amendment doesn't include defacing national parks--or impersonating a federal LEO.   

 

Edited Thursday at 10:09 PM by Fairweather

[olyclimber]

I respect your religion though I can’t say I share your god. You’re believing for both of us I guess.  Is your god in the Constitution of the USA? Isn’t there something about separation of church and state? 

 

[Fairweather]

4 hours ago, olyclimber said:

 Is your god in the Constitution of the USA? Isn’t there something about separation of church and state? 

 

No to both questions. The myth of separation comes from the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

If there is no God, then to whom do we answer? The state?

 

[olyclimber]

The establishment clause states that separation, it does not mythologize it.  But then that is like all law, subject to interpretation. You clearly have your own interpretation.

who do we answer to? Clearly that is an individual choice as well, in practice. I don’t answer to your god, or do I? Or is it you answering to mine?  I am not so arrogant as to say I could answer any of this.  I answer to my family. I answer to trying to be kind to others (I don’t always succeed). I don’t answer to some mythical deity.  I always welcome the truth. If your god wants me then he will have to convince me he exists. 

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Whether there is a God or not, or whether one's view of God is different from another, I think there are some fundamental principles we should be able to agree on.

We don't let children buy guns, drink alcohol, or drive cars.  Making permanent decisions like sex-change operations seems pretty obviously to fall into the realm of inappropriate for young, undeveloped minds. And a gov't dictating that parents must support such decisions or lose their children seems blatantly wrong.  I don't need a concept of God to know that.

Edited 20 hours ago by KaskadskyjKozak

[Fairweather]

1 hour ago, olyclimber said:

 

who do we answer to? Clearly that is an individual choice as well, in practice. I don’t answer to your god, or do I? Or is it you answering to mine?  I am not so arrogant as to say I could answer any of this.  I answer to my family. I answer to trying to be kind to others (I don’t always succeed). I don’t answer to some mythical deity.  I always welcome the truth. If your god wants me then he will have to convince me he exists. 

 

What you describe is nihilism. And according to Neitzsche, if God is dead then all bets are off. We can do whatever we want without consequence. He died in 1900 and, as he predicted, 20th century faith in government resulted in the biggest bloodbaths in human history. When government supplants God, nothing good happens. This explains why leftist, progressive and liberal governments tolerate, or even lead, attacks on believers and traditional family. Because these two institutions are its only real competitors.  Truth is, atheists don't bother me--but far too many of them behave like anti-theists. And their proselytizing sounds a lot like the words they claim to despise.   

[Fairweather]

1 hour ago, KaskadskyjKozak said:

Whether there is a God or not, or whether one's view of God is different from another, I think there are some fundamental principles we should be able to agree on.

We don't let children buy guns, drink alcohol, or drive cars.  Making permanent decisions like sex-change operations seems pretty obviously to fall into the realm of inappropriate for young, undeveloped minds. And a gov't dictating that parents must support such decisions or lose their children seems blatantly wrong.  I don't need a concept of God to know that.

100% agree. And yet the Washington State Senate Majority Leader, Jamie Pedersen, has lectured parents again and again about their limited roles if their kids are 13 or older. Ditto, Chris Reykdal, State Superintendent of Public Schools. Democrats just removed key parental notification rights regarding gender reassignment, SB 5181. Signed by Governor Cuck Ferguson. Maybe it's time to let public schools die off. 

[olyclimber]

1 hour ago, Fairweather said:

What you describe is nihilism. And according to Neitzsche, if God is dead then all bets are off. We can do whatever we want without consequence. He died in 1900 and, as he predicted, 20th century faith in government resulted in the biggest bloodbaths in human history. When government supplants God, nothing good happens. This explains why leftist, progressive and liberal governments tolerate, or even lead, attacks on believers and traditional family. Because these two institutions are its only real competitors.  Truth is, atheists don't bother me--but far too many of them behave like anti-theists. And their proselytizing sounds a lot like the words they claim to despise.   

No that I not what I describe. It is called being agnostic.  But after hearing you explain yourself in this thread I do understand you more.  You’re a religious man.  Well indoctrinated at that.  You prefer theocracy over democracy. 

[Fairweather]

Awwww Porter, c'mon. Just when we were starting to have a good dialogue, you pout & get all bitchy. A common problem with progressives--and products of Olympia Public Schools. Truth is, I'm not "religious" at all. But I do believe in God. And I will take a Representative Republic over a theocracy or your mob democracy any day of the century. I just think America works best when it adheres to its traditional values. It's difficult for you, I get it. 

[Fairweather]

On 5/27/2025 at 10:54 AM, KaskadskyjKozak said:

they should stick to cutting bolts on Forbidden, and keeping the cat scratch gully rappels as dangerous as possible.  priorities, people!  

 

It's funny, I hiked the Grand Canyon earlier this month. NPS is building a GIANT pump house along the Colorado River near Phantom Ranch and installing a 10" pipe all the way up to the south rim along the Bright Angel Trail. Also a large pump station at Havasupi Gardens humming away in an otherwise pristine setting. NPS is getting ridiculous--compare the wilderness zealots at NOCA with the industrial scale recreation at Grand Canyon with the political grandstanding at Yosemite. Makes no sense. Pretty clear there has been no definable mission at Interior for a long, long time.

[olyclimber]

No pouting here Brian. Did you go to Olympia high or something?  I just think is funny when you start making all these wild ass assumptions like you know me or something.  You clearly don’t at all. And I don’t really know you other than you’re a right wing keyboard warrior. 

 

As any good  librul I wish higher taxes upon you.  Peace out for this weekend I got better stuff to do.

[Fairweather]

37 minutes ago, olyclimber said:

You’re a religious man.  Well indoctrinated at that.  You prefer theocracy over democracy. 

Followed by:

I just think is funny when you start making all these wild ass assumptions like you know me or something.  

Detached much?

[KaskadskyjKozak]

The problem is not religion or Nietzsche.  It's people.  People suck.  I prefer to be a misanthrope.  The outdoors is the place to be - and finding places there without people is getting harder and harder these days.  Thanks IG!  Fucking hell.