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Hmmm... easy job I guess.

Well said. But not well thought out or true. I believe it to be true. Well I believe you are a mongloid 8 year old pretending to be an adult.

Spot on. I may not believe in the premise of the war that was started, but I will fight like hell to win the war that was created because I know the dire stakes of losing this conflict.

By your own definition you can't know the consequences of your actions. SO WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU INVADE THE DAMN PLACE!!!! There is so much cognitive dissonance with you conservatives: US == always good! US kills thousands of people Those people would have killed themselves QED Because the consequences of innaction far transcend the consequences of international apathy. Nonsense! We would be safer, richer and fewer people would have died had we not gone to Iraq. Those holding defense contractor or oil stocks would be a little poorer, but the rest of us would be better off. You have a very 'short-term' mindset. True, our enonomy is hampered and some people died (my very good friends included). To say that "we would be safer, richer and that fewer people would have died," is telling. Long term global stability is worth more than a few years of you having to pay another extra dollar for gas (somehting the rest of the world has been doing for decades.)

Yep. Pretty much sums it up Bill.

...against a country with a population 100's of times the size of theirs.

By your own definition you can't know the consequences of your actions. SO WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU INVADE THE DAMN PLACE!!!! There is so much cognitive dissonance with you conservatives: US == always good! US kills thousands of people Those people would have killed themselves QED Because the consequences of innaction far transcend the consequences of international apathy.

Condi might earn herself a VP slot if she keeps this up. Neutralizing the race card as well as hitching up some women voters... Hmm...

Looks like NATO is giving the big diplomatic fuck you to Russia. Well played hand.

lol Im 15 you hoochie

No, you don't have to admire their honesty. This sort of fucked-up apologetic reasoning is the same as saying you have to admire a thug for being upfront about wanting to cap you... Hitler was pretty honest too.

I think it is a little early to be making such statements. There do seem to be some irregularities, but I am not willing to assign such titles until I know they are rightfully earned. War is dirty; there is no doubt about it. You can't be involved in any part of it without getting your hands dirty. Again, time will tell who was wrong, right, bad or not-so-bad.

Its not humility if you realy aren't all that smart anyhow.

Well, lets not lump everyone into one pile eh? Though I joke about it. I reserve my most vile comments for uneducated people like Kevbone while I reserve a modicum of respect for those like you that have well researched and thought out positions. People will disagree, though how they respect others and how they are prepared to explain their positions marks the value of the man.

How can you possibly argue that our war "didn't cause anything?" I agree that time will tell how it turns out, but there is no denying that WE CAUSED THIS PARTICULAR MESS. Perhaps this particular instance but it was only a matter of time before it would happen again. The politics in that area are so convoluted, perhaps a militant murderous dictator is the only way to keep peace there. Who knows? Again, time will tell. I am not so brash as to say I have the concrete answers that many here claim (despite my dealings with the people). It is more complicated than any of you will ever know and no book will teach you what you need to know about how to deal with the different nuances and idiosyncracies of each micro-sect in the area.

Nope. It might prove hypocrisy of the leaders in this country (whom I have long been at odds with) but it does not implicate the average conservative voter that the post was designed for. There is a difference. Just because I am conservative, doesn't mean that I am willing to give a conservative carte blanche for any transgressions he might have committed.

We didn't cause anything. We just kept one tribe from killing all the other tribes. Whether this is a good thing in the long haul or not is debatable and something that we will have to wait a few years (likely 25) before we get the answer.

He had it under wraps by killing those that disagreed with him. There was a German man in the 40's that had racism "under wraps." I think you know as well as I do that Saddams' methods were contrary to everything tha our country believes in.

Reconstruction was always on the minds of those constructing the war-plan (though not as much as it should have been). Bullshit! The extent of planning was pretty hoping the Iraq would say "yay, The amerikan smart bombs and smart bullets and smart soldiers (not at all smart btw) only killed military targets with no collatoral damage! Woohoo, now lets vote and get on with our lives" ...and as one of your 'not at all smart' soldiers, why do you find it so hard to keep up with my pedestrian discussion?

Yes. I think that opening up diplomacy would be a good thing as far as Russia goes. They are wary of us and they also are jumpy violent bastards. Still, better to take the high road and offer some compromises and at least talk with them. If they don't bite the hook, we can always go 'Dundee fishing.'

-I really think that victory (being a autonomous government for Iraq) is possible. We are not that far off. -We didn't "torch" off any civil war. This has been going on for a damn long time. Perhaps we have opened up some old sores, perhaps we will help to heal them; Only time will tell.

Hey Scott, did Iraq have anything to do with 9/11? Nope

I agree with you Bug. We were too hasty. As I said before, it would have been wiser to have done as Sun Tzu stated and prepared for every contingency. You have no disagreements there. I don't believe we actually had a plan, but rather intention of reconsruction. There are too many variables (as we have seen) to have a plan for a reconstruction pre-war (though a general idea would have been prudent). My premise was that we had the intention of reconstructing whereas Russia makes it a point of announcing with much bravado that they have no intentions whatsoever of reconstructing.

Define "our" Your turn The United States.

Reconstruction was always on the minds of those constructing the war-plan (though not as much as it should have been). Bullshit! The extent of planning was pretty hoping the Iraq would say "yay, The amerikan smart bombs and smart bullets and smart soldiers (not at all smart btw) only killed military targets with no collatoral damage! Woohoo, now lets vote and get on with our lives" More hyperbole. Please. It really helps to bring intelligence to this discussion.