pigchampion

No need. My climbs are a mold of myself; if people don't fit that mold they probably they probably won't like or climb my routes. sounds like mt. rushmore.

i've never put a route up before but i always thought that climbing molded me and not the other way around, i'm surprised i haven't read about you in national geographic magazine or something of the like. you should write a autobiography and call it "Your Ok.... But Im Better".

that is the funniest thing i have ever read on this site

That, we don't have to ever worry about. No stars for Joey. make a mold of yourself, put it at the base of your climbs and if people don't fit the mold they'll now not to persist in the climbing community.

When I don't want to see other climbers, I pick a route that is likely to not have anyone there. Or I go midweek. i eat heuvos rancheros the night before...

no, they'll probably write a guide book, throw your routes in them with some bright shiny stars and wait for the inevitable.

is an implied over-bolted crag considered a worthy cause with the stances you impose or is your plan to keep ozone attractive as you can so the hordes don't drive a little further towards the rock of the rising sun?

The route is called '[un]Reasonable Richard', further adding to the innocuous nature of the danger. It isn't a great climb. No one bullied me and I defy anyone to locate where that bolt once was. At this point I'm pretty good at making bolts disappear, epoxying over the hole, and camo'ing the result in shape, color, and texture. Reasonable Richard is a two star climb and has a PG-13 rating which might indicate to most that there is some business to attend on the route. i've done routes that other people thought were great and i didn't... doesn't make my opinion status quo no does i? and the route also say's there is a bolt on it, but the book also states that there is a tree at the top of the ramp on the s.e. corner which i heard fell off last year, i doubt you're going to plant a tree.

assuming everyone is an idiot.

Olson Guide Books States: First Edition Blue Lettering NO Stars: Average Quality Route One Star(*)Good quality Route, recommended Two Stars(**)Excellent Route,good postion,quality climbing, sound rock, highly recommended. Three Stars(***)Highest Quality Route,should not be missed. :the guide mentions nothing that stars implies safety.

what's is the name of the route that was bolted? too bad that bolt isn't there anymore, sounds like a great climb. why did you let everyone bully you into chopping it????the damage was already done.

i assume that you equate ***'s to being a classic route and classic being safe. i wonder how many routes in the "fifty classic routes of north america" have some spice to them" that an average 5.9 climber could wander onto and get into trouble. the "steck salathe" is no cake walk and i do believe one of the great soloist fell to his death on it.

Olson Guide Books States: First Edition Blue Lettering NO Stars: Average Quality Route One Star(*)Good quality Route, recommended Two Stars(**)Excellent Route,good postion,quality climbing, sound rock, highly recommended. Three Stars(***)Highest Quality Route,should not be missed. :the guide mentions nothing that stars implies safety. then section about Beacon reads: "Beacon offers technically difficult climbing on extremely sound rock. Competancy is a must! Climbing here is not for the faint of heart or for novices." it also covers rock fall dangers...

Pretty well sums up the best argument against bolting. so therefore bolts should be unsafe when installed.....

or just pencil in some stars in the guidebook and throw a bolt in...

The Bible

don't listen to them brother, i heard mr. olson is a kind man and donated his time for a fellow climber and perhaps made a mistake by throwing out some stars unintentionally, we all make mistakes and is best not to judge as you are the keeper of the flock and have taken on that responsibility to maintain a level safe haven and take out the danger and commitment so others can enjoy the same level of asylum that we have all learned to enjoy and which you have bestowed upon us all by following the guide books message that i think clearly was a message from God to you as a chosen one to protect and watch over us like a prophet guiding us through the valley of death keeping us from harms way leading me to believe that more will come to see their fate without this bolt and sentenced to a life of pain and agony as others will follow as they meet the deck with fury as sadness takes over.

a gift from God....

this is not a right or wrong discussion my brother. guide books are just that, a guide and brother joseph was guided down the righteous path and did the climbing community right and is a good man for doing so in a manner so selfless and was beat down by the devil himself and removed that bolt which should have never been removed in the first place which shows the ignorance of mankind and how one man the keeper of the flock watching over, protecting and keeping from harms way and in doing so performing saint like acts of selflessness and kindness hoping never to stray from the flock. nd when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. (Revelations 5:8)

the world is a dangerous place my brother full of temptation, sound as if you might have added an element of safety to beacon rock disguising it's true nature giving fellow climbers a false sense of well being perhaps inviting a greater catastrophe which you were clearly anticipating in the first place. you clearly have good foresight which is a gift in the eyes of God, perhaps your keen instincts have blinded you in such a way that you weren't looking far enough into the not so predictable future. keep watching over the flock my good brother. As a man thinks in his heart, so is he. - Proverbs 23:7

or you can pull a Lt. Dan and make your peace with God.

i made no attempt at saying something, in my mind i said something... now u wanting to accept that or not is strictly your deal. what i want to ask is: if you feel like u made a good choice then why didn't you stick to what you were attempting to do and leave the bolt in?? sounds like you did a service to the climbing community by letting the guidebook dictate your intentions. you made a dangerous route safe and i think you should be commended for it.

what's wrong with bolting? seems reasonable to protect a route if someone is going to hit the ground. someone was telling me there are some longer routes on the east face that could use quite a few bolts. why is beacon so different than any other crag, i don't get it. i say make climbing safe and save some rescue dollars and a few trips to the emergency room as well.... just a thought.

i used to travel quite a bit with my christian group, those were good times.

i've been all over the U.S.