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Kojak prefers stuffing his in the victim's mouth to getting them in a wad.

God, you people suuuck!

You suck.

This thread sucks.

This thread sucks.

This thread sucks.

Ugh, god you're such a homer. Of course I'm against the expansion of the national security state. I think I even mentioned it when I asked you how you're personally being oppressed. The point is that, A. "small govt conservatives and faux-libertarians love this kind of shit, go figure. B. The fact that the State is way out of line in this regard doesn't mean that increasing numbers of marginalized Americans couldn't use a lot more government in their lives. Don't drag me into the uni-dimensional radio-play you're the only one listening to.

We've lost a Donald, but gained a Callista.

U.S.A.!! U.S.A.!! U.S.A.!!

So, what the fuck's going on in Libya anyway?

Recognizing this as a PR coup and engaging the official rah-rah narrative with the more substantial questions of how much this cost us, the misguided demonization of Muslims, loss of civil liberties, the ongoing debates about torture and rendition, etc., and the most important issue, which is how we use it to push the political goalposts in the direction we want to go (reorienting imperial resources) is much different than running around with one's head cut off going, "he ain't dead, he ain't dead!!" or some other hokey ass bullshit.

I am not sure how many non-white people you know but blind trust in the gov/Pentagon isn't exactly what I think of when I think minority. Accepting the official version despite the obvious red-herrings within mere days of a public announcement like last weekend's is plain bullshit IMO. First, the story is so weird and was evolving so fast at the beginning of the week that there was no telling which way it would go. Second, instead of pointing the finger at skeptics (justifiably skeptical considering our recent and past history), you should validate reasonable skepticism, which isn't in any way mutually exclusive with addressing oppression. Reasonable skepticism is valid. Given the spectacular and almost immediate failures of other attempts at Wag the Dog style media constructions you cited earlier, this administration's historical ineptitude at messaging (Obama's back from the brink speechifications notwithstanding), and the terrific risks involved, I'm skeptical that the "deather's" claims of a faked bin Laden assassination are anything but the kind of reactionary response that seems to function more and more in place of a coherent analysis and strategy from the left. Where does a "bin Laden isn't dead, bin Laden was killed in 2001, bin Laden is being interrogated" narrative take us? Where has "AIDS was manufactured by the CIA" taken us? Where have any of the myriad examples of this line of "investigation" taken us? Yes, there are conspiracies. Fortunately for us, the plotters and the executors have had virtually no success in actually keeping them secret. Despite their obvious failures, a large portion of the public doggedly insists on the continuing capacity of the government to pull this shit off, and better yet, the bigger and more elaborate, the more successful they are! How does that work? In reality, what the State has been quite good at is manufacturing consent and mobilizing support based on grand narratives and well funded public relations work done by a complex of sympathetic think tanks, media wonks, and academics. Not high profile, hopelessly complex, Hollywood potboilers. No mystery necessary. You know this. But back to minorities. There are historical examples of conspiracies that have created long lasting distrust of the State amongst minorities (Tuskeegee comes to mind). But you can bet your ass that marginalized communities struggling in America are far more concerned about the day to day, highly visible oppression embodied in redlining, environmental racism, police brutality, immigration law, predatory lending, food insecurity, drugs, crumbling institutions, etc. than who really killed MLK. Apparently, some folks have got too much time on their hands...

Thanks for the recap of liberal politics for the Internet Age: On the one hand, society is controlled by implacable, terrifyingly powerful shadow forces. Citizen sleuths uncover the "real truth". On the other, our problems are easily solvable by putting a check in the mail to the nonprofit of your choice. Win-win, I barely have to get my heart-rate above 90.

The saddest irony of it is how politically debilitating this line of activity really is. Why bother organizing or engaging when the foe is a monolithic, omniscient power ten steps ahead of any possible maneuver? Why bother addressing the obvious, visible manifestations of oppression when you can cast yourself as the star of your own Hardy Boys book? Typical white people bullshit.

An Osprey, maybe.

Yeah, 'cause the Muslim World really seems to give a fuck...

Conspiracy theory might as well be a psy/ops program. Pull yourself together for crissakes.

Guess you need to get your shit together like never before, huh? Instead of concocting crackpot bullshit to convince yourself how powerless you are, that is...

What exactly would be the downside for buying into the official version of events? For the Left I mean. Better to "go with the flow", eh? Here the "progressive left" has been handed a golden opportunity to put pressure on politicians for a withdrawl/defense-budget-cutting-while-still-saving-face situation and you've gone stupid. Like toddlers, you are. Pathetic.

The CIA is an al-Qaeda front group, dumbass!

Because Obama is a Muslim, duh!

derp!

Maybe. But what we didn't deserve was a lost decade or two (or three) so slimy shitheel politicians and defense contractors could make their careers inflating a demonic blowup doll. Now the "deathers" want to prolong this crap?! Let's put it to bed already and stop wasting our energy celebrating or playing Encyclopedia Brown.

And what, exactly was bin Laden's role in 9/11 again?