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Don't like Wall St.? DON'T USE MONEY!!!

Don't like illegal immigrants? DON'T EAT FOOD!!

Don't North Korean subs use gas? What a bunch of hippocrates!

DON'T YOU EAT FRUIT?? WE'RE ALL RESPONSIBLE!

If you haven't done anything wrong (like look like an immigrant) then you and your children have nothing to worry about. If you do look like one of 'em and can't produce the proper papers, you'll be stripped of you rights, detained indefinitely, and deported. Freedumb isn't free.

It's a dolganged BROWN TSUNAMI down here! We're fed up.

If the FEDERALES won't institute martial law in the border states, by golly we'll do it ourselves! We're fed up.

I'm fed up, too! Somebody do something drastic with these Juggalos, NOW!

Well dadgummit, they're just going to have to find somebody that can make the trains run on time!

Great "libertarian" values here. Did you get this off Scott Baio's website?

No, science, reason, etc. evolved, more often than not, in spite of Christian backwardness, not in tandem with it such that you could call it a "tradition". Apologies to Max Weber, but there is nothing in the Bible, and certainly not in the passages cited above that would suggest otherwise. [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSYosM2ZhzY

I'd say Cindy McCain, but it's a fair bet she's not even from this solar system.

Didn't know you were such an animal-lover...

Precious is not a very good actress.

Well shit, since no one here is willing to own the absurd scenario you've concocted for them and there's no real historian or analyst out there that's defending your strawman either, I guess you're just doing what you always do: fighting phantoms and blowing smoke out of your ass.

Between BP and Bobby Jindal, I'm sure everything will be fine.

Personally, I can't think of a single historian, Left or otherwise, that would make this claim, but if you need to trot out this strawman in order to further what starts to look like the same argument you've always made (albeit with a new "historical" twist), feel free. The best histories are always able to keep the "internal" and "external" balls in the air. Apparently, whatever book you just read cannot. [video:google]

It's that time.

Historical movements and events on the national and international stage are always conditioned by "endogenous and exogenous" factors, more often than not to the extent that they become entirely entertwined. It could not be otherwise and I've never argued otherwise. That said, the growing penetration of Western capital, the Cold War political machinations of major players, the legacy of colonial administration and class structures, and the later adoption/flirtation with Western political philosophy and systems makes the relation of former colonies to "the West" of crucial importance (though not necessarily of overdetermination) in any discussion of the modern Middle East as a whole or movements within it as critical and widespread as political Islam. I'm not sure why anyone would seek to obfuscate that history.

Why don't you lay it out for me there, big guy?

Nasser, Quadafi, Assad, Hussein, etc. Plenty of larger forces in the region that lead to the same outcome without any US involvement. Strange how the squishy multi-culti types can't fathom a set of internal dynamics in the non-western world that shape and drive their history other than US meddling. Skipped the history courses and went straight for the pomo-word games, eh? Given that the nation-states led by the politicians you mentioned didn't even exist as such prior to their births, much less the post-colonial pressures and conflicts that came to bear on them, your argument for a hermetically sealed Middle East floating relatively freely of the world-system is absurd on its face.

Believe it or not, this is actually an improvement over the "Islam as a hardwired-for-violence timebomb" narrative he used to promote.

Mohammed Mossadegh is not available for comment.