ashw_justin

Sounds like he needs more practice downclimbing . . . You show me downclimbing on Smith face and I'll show somebody wasting their time on climbs that are too easy...

Thanks for repeating so eloquently what I've been saying the whole time!

Just to clarify, I personally I wouldn't consider it "downclimbing" to move from the crux hold, back to the next hold down. That's just probing the crux. I would consider it downclimbing to move both feet to lower positions. On the vast majority of sport climbs I've been on, the latter has never proven useful, or even possible. Someone already mentioned Smith. Most of the face climbing I have done there was just moving from one set of miniscule holds to the next. Downclimbing just puts you onto the next lowest miniscule holds, and really no better off. I guess if you're climbing something that's 5.7 except for a single 5.hard crux, downclimbing helps. But then we're talking more about a roped boulder problem than an actual route.

Whatever tough guy So I'm just wondering. If you're posting here that you carry a gun, do you carry it because you feel that you need it? ..Or do you just like guns? It's my job to carry a gun. Several of them in fact. It's also part of my job to be able to crush someone with my bare hands. Something I have become quite adept at over time. What's it to you tough guy? Well I'm glad you see an option other than popping off boku rounds at the first sign of danger. A bare-handed crushing is a lot less evil than popping off three rounds from safe distance. So what is a safe distance? Any average Joe to hit a guy 3 fer 3 in the chest on top of adrenaline would have to be preety freaking close. But I suppose if your only gun education is from Clint Eastwood movies, 100 yard shots with a .45 handgun are routine... The last time I shot a .357, I was 12 years old. Exactly... last time for me was 3 days ago. WTF is exact about it? The last time you shot a gun has nothing to do with my "gun education."

Man, Distel, you're the last person I expected to defend the downclimbing thing. How many times do you downclimb a boulder problem! Ok, I know you do more than boulder, but I expected that you of all climbers, who can send V8, would agree that when the going gets tough, you just gotta have some faith and stick it! Resting is resting, but downclimbing the route is the exact opposite of your goal. By the way I'm defining downclimbing as more than just resting, or changing body position. Downclimbing is when you significantly lower yourself through a set of moves that you've already put behind you. Don't get me wrong, downclimbing has its place, such as when your protection is unsafe. But this is not an issue in sport climbing. Anyway I'm not claiming to be mister onsight or even a particularly strong climber so if my opinion bothers any of you, then you can rest comfortably with the notion that you can probably out-climb me.

Whatever tough guy So I'm just wondering. If you're posting here that you carry a gun, do you carry it because you feel that you need it? ..Or do you just like guns? It's my job to carry a gun. Several of them in fact. It's also part of my job to be able to crush someone with my bare hands. Something I have become quite adept at over time. What's it to you tough guy? Well I'm glad you see an option other than popping off boku rounds at the first sign of danger. A bare-handed crushing is a lot less evil than popping off three rounds from safe distance. So what is a safe distance? Any average Joe to hit a guy 3 fer 3 in the chest on top of adrenaline would have to be preety freaking close. But I suppose if your only gun education is from Clint Eastwood movies, 100 yard shots with a .45 handgun are routine... The last time I shot a .357, I was 12 years old.

I don't know dude, I think cougars generally attack by stealth, from the back and from above. And they go straight for the neck, so you're half-way to dead before you even know you're under attack. I advise walking backwards with the sidearms cocked and loaded, otherwise that hip-weight is doing nothing more than slowing you down.

Whatever tough guy So I'm just wondering. If you're posting here that you carry a gun, do you carry it because you feel that you need it? ..Or do you just like guns? It's my job to carry a gun. Several of them in fact. It's also part of my job to be able to crush someone with my bare hands. Something I have become quite adept at over time. What's it to you tough guy? Well I'm glad you see an option other than popping off boku rounds at the first sign of danger. A bare-handed crushing is a lot less evil than popping off three rounds from safe distance.

Conventional wisdom says that the mini cooper is a deathtrap. Yet... Crash Testing: MINI Cooper vs Ford F150 (http://www.bridger.us/2002/12/16/CrashTestingMINICooperVsFordF150) Both of these vehicles hit the exact same off-set barrier at 40mph. Of course the important part is, if you drive a REALLY big truck, then whoever you run into will be brutally maimed, while you and your cell phone and your Venti starbucks latte will all walk away unscathed.

Yeah ok guys, sorry for making this into a cc.com thread... just ignore my stupid ass if you don't like what I'm sayin'. I still think downclimbing is not the answer...

Hey, take that to the rock!

Yeah I changed my mind, I'm gonna support the gun lobby because I think not only do we have a right to carry guns everywhere, but it's a civic duty. Just like it's every honorable citizen's resposibility to shoot all threatening entities on sight, at least three times in a vital area. This guy, he's a f'ing liberal hag for not shooting the dogs too. They needed to pay for not obeying the leash law. In fact, he should be shot for not taking responsibliity for thoroughly utilizing his right to protect himself. From now on, all hikers are required to carry at least one firearm with them at all times, the magazine capacity of which is not to be less than 15 rounds and must by law contain at least 10% hollowpoints and 10% explosive rounds.

Get some pepper spray. It's nice and refreshing when you get a good shot in the face. ...trust me. Do charging bears respond well to pistol rounds? Or does the pain just help make up their minds that they do indeed want to kill you? Really, to be safe I think we should all carry fully automatic shotguns and AK-47's into the wilderness, because you never know what's waiting for you out in the Big Bad Outdoors.

The other woman looks jealous that she is being ignored. I think she wants to ride in the clown's nutsack too.

yeah but pink-sandaled models can't resist it.

Yeah apparently if you ride a car resembling a clown's nutsack, then you get all fine-ass denim-skirted puntang you little heart desires!

Ah hell does onsighting even matter? I've always just seen it as an irrelevant little bonus, or at most, an artifact of climbing skilz. You want to onsight harder, then just climb harder, and you'll be onsighting harder in no time. Or freesolo. That'll teach you to onsight right quick.

Some care bears make little girls happy. Some go to nice beautiful homes where they live their lives in blissful benevolence unto the little ones. ...this care bear went to live in a dormitory at Reed College. His name is Smokey. Smokey the bear.

Yeah, If you climb up to the crux and find that you're out of position or you need to switch your hands, just DYNO dude! Whatever you do, don't downclimb and reposition yourself. That's a sign of FEAR!!! hahaha that's a good one. I wish! repositioning so you can do the move is not the same as downclimbing to rest and whimper... I've done both and the latter is not as likely to get you an onsight. ...okay, maybe if the last hold was REALLY good... but psychologically, running away solves nothing

I think the downclimbing thing is bad advice. Why would you downclimb? That's a symptom of fear that you can't do the move, or that you wont get the "onsight." Just climb the damn thing, try to keep as much weight on your feet as you can, stay in balance. But just f'ing climb! If it is within your onsight capabilities, you will onsight it. If not, big deal you took a fall and you get to try the moves again. This is not to say that resting your body and collecting your thoughts is not important. But you should already be doing this automatically whenever you find yourself in a comfortable position. That way when you come to the crux you are not already pumped. You get pumped cranking the crux, but you'll probably find a decent place to rest once you just crank through it. Why try the stick-and-move strategy when you can go for the knockout!

Oh man I wish there was a siezure smiley right now

Is it Windows? Latest version of Internet Exploder?

Soloed or Free-Soloed?

No, Sunday we were parked right uphill of Leavenworth on the left, right after that really nasty rapid. Dang you must have been pretty tired to have missed us there!

I'm surprised you didn't see my car on the side of the road Saturday. I was parked at the Castle parking lot in Tumwater Canyon in the morning, and in the Snow Creek parking lot in the afternoon. You didn't stay through Sunday did you?