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  1. See you all in the mountains tomorrow morning.
  2. Well, Mr. Radon, I don't have a lot of razzle-dazzle for you here. I've shared my own experiences here for you all to consider, and I've been somewhat written off as a rare exception. Me and all of the other people I've worked with in my Local and some of the other Locals here in Seattle. As far as not working under a CBA in a union shop, well that's not the way it works. Either a shop is or is not union. The way a group of workers unionize is by majority vote. Once the vote had been taken, the employer is legally obligated to negotiate. The union folks hope for the best, as having a majority of the workers wanting representation should warrant getting an agreement. I went to the AFL-CIO Organizing Institute for training, but organizing is not my forte. It was really just so I'd have a solid understanding of the process so I could be a more effective negotiator. what they teach you in organizing school is not really what I'd call coercion. Why would we want to represent people who don't want to be represented? There is not currently a legal mechanism for having workers defined within the bargaining unit to work in a non-represented capacity. All I can tell you, if you are so opposed to it, is to try and find a place to work that is non-union.
  3. Me too. Next time her team loses she is so outta here. I didn't mind her too much until she faked the head injury and then played basketball.
  4. marylou

    Free Martha!

    I do not care for insider trading, nor do I care for Marta Stewart. That said, why was she in particular singled out and made an example of?
  5. Not a big fan of the "women's only" anything really. I think it would be better for us to keep working toward making this a place women feel that they can participate.
  6. It's okay Tbay. I'm not an aspiring screenwriter. Nor a janitor, so no worries.
  7. Yeah, in the perfect world we woudn't need labor unions. Thing is, even having things like the 40 hour work week as law doesn't guarantee it will stay law without a little due diligence. Current administration's trying to do away with it, and the biggest organized group of people fighting that is labor unions. People represented by CBAs all have it in their contracts already, so changing the law wouldn't necessarily affect us, at least for a while. BUT....labor unions work to help raise the bar for all workers, not just the unionized ones. I know it sounds evil, but unions do care about all workers. A lot of the bad blood toward organized labor is based on perceptions, bad apples, the past....stuff that may or may not be relevant to today's discussion. The Beck ruling just came out in 1988, and from the shape of this here discussion, it's news to a lot of people, for example. Okay, enough with the sunshine and lollipops for now.
  8. LOL
  9. I didn't know the WWF was in Seattle last night! Dude, you are SO dumb! The WWF's not in town, it's Oklahoma! this week. Everybody now..."Ooohkla-HOMA!"
  10. (ring, ring) Greg: hello? Tbay: Hey, it’s Tbay. What’s shakin’? Greg: Nothin’, just doing some laundry for Minx so she won't ban me again. Tbay: How those new Danskos working out for ya? Greg, Oh they are SO nice...just like walking on clouds! Tbay: Hey that union creep Marylou seems to be winning the arguments here. I’m bored of it. What should we do about it? Greg: Well, I have a number of weapons I use on Marylou. She's a lot of fun to kick around. How about you make fun of her for doing volunteer work, and I’ll get her for having to do menial work as part of her job? How does that sound? Ohohoh, and make it sound like she's doing something with the Mountaineers. That'll make it even better! TBay: Well, works for me, I guess, but won’t we end up just looking like a couple of small-minded jerks? I mean, don't you always end up looking like an ass? Greg: Oh no, I’ve done this many times with her, and I end up looking great. She’s the one with the mud in her eye! Principles, schminciples. who is she, Mary Poppins? She's probably on the take just like all those other gangsters. TBay: What about name calling? Greg: Name calling is a lot of fun, but I’d be careful with it. Ya might get banned or somethin’. Okay dude, it's time to put the stuff in the dryer. Do you think I should hang dry all the lingerie, or can I just toss it in with all the other stuff?
  11. Heh, better and etart than an etard, methinks!
  12. TROLL!!!
  13. Let me set a couple of things straight for ya: 1. I am a former (paid) business rep, (usually paid) rank-and-file contract negotiator, and volunteer. I don't do a lot of that stuff anymore. I got burned out. Did some pretty big projects for no money, like the 401(k) thing. I volunteer for a non-profit that does advocacy work for hikers now. 2. Broadband is available in Ballard. Work has been slow for quite a while for us due to the condition of the economy, and it's a luxury I simply cannot afford. When the economy's in the can like it is now, people don't go see a lot of live performance, instead probably choosing to go to or rent a movie. The part about the union flexing its muscles to get broadband in Ballard....well honestly pal, ya lost me on tha one!
  14. I'm sure that you "would bet" that, but in fact the members demand that the money thing remains that way. I've never been tempted by any weird kickback money thing, and I don't think that most people who are leading unions have that at the front of their minds either. Seriously, it's just a lot of hard work with not a lot of reward.
  15. I don't think I'm the exception. Could be wrong, but I don't think so.
  16. Funny, Jay, it never occurred to me to get a kickback. I did research for a year, and came up with something I thought the membership would accept. It's worked out okay for us. Not perfect, but not too bad either. I'm pretty proud of that project.
  17. marylou

    chatter

    Three live girls await your presence!
  18. So are you saying that these people shouldn't vote?
  19. Sorry about that. I tried to explain to Tbay and others that their contention that people are forced to join unions and pay for political action is simply not accurate. I kept getting shot down, so I had to go with actual real live factual information about the Beck decision and its impact on workers in union shops. If you don't want to read it, feel free to scroll right on down. I don't have broadband, so for me this cut-and-paste method is actually less annoying than the click on the link method.
  20. TBay, any news source that says that unions can do this is either wrong, or telling you about a union that is not complying with the law. A union can't legally compel a person to do that. Below is a big boring pile of NLRB information that should be enough to convince you that the Beck ruling is real and not just a figment of my imagination. If you want to see more on whether unions can use your dues for political purposes without your consent, just Google Beck+objector, and you should find all the information you need. We went over this once in simple terms, here it is in more deatail. It was good for me to go fin the info and have a look for my own edification. OFFICE OF THE GENERAL COUNSEL MEMORANDUM GC 01-04 April 6, 2001 TO: All Regional Directors, Officers-in-Charge, and Resident Officers FROM: Leonard R. Page, Acting General Counsel SUBJECT: Guidelines for Response to Beck-Related Public Inquiries We anticipate, based on President Bush’s February 17, 2001 Executive Order, that there may be an increased number of public inquiries concerning Beck and related union-security issues. To assist the public in understanding these matters, we have prepared the attached reference guide consisting of proposed responses to typical inquiries. This material is designed as a guide for information officers in responding to such inquiries and will help ensure that the Agency is providing accurate and complete information to the public concerning this topic. Copies of this guide are being placed on the NLRB Field Offices electronic bulletin board, and on the NLRB intranet and website. Each person who serves as information officer should be familiar with the contents. Since this reference guide does not purport to identify and address all possible questions which may arise in this area, Regions may wish to expand upon it as deemed appropriate. However, the Regions should coordinate any such expansion or addition with the Division of Advice to ensure that the Regions’ views are consistent with positions taken by the Office of the General Counsel. Any questions concerning this should be directed to the Division of Advice or your Assistant General Counsel. /s/ L. R. P. Attachment Distribution: Regional - All Professional Employees, NLRBU cc: NLRBU -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON TYPICAL UNION-SECURITY AND BECK ISSUES Following is a series of typical questions and answers which may be posed to Board agents concerning the Supreme Court’s decision in Communications Workers of America v. Beck, 487 U.S. 735 (1988), or other issues relating to union-security obligations. This material is designed to serve as a desk reference in responding to public inquiries. As always, if there is any uncertainty about how to respond to a public inquiry, the Board agent should secure a phone number from the caller and call back after consulting with a supervisor to obtain the necessary information. 1. What is a union-security obligation? The proviso to Section 8(a)(3) of the Act allows employers and unions to enter into union-security agreements requiring all employees in a particular bargaining unit to become “members” on or after the 30th day following being hired.[1] In a 1963 decision, NLRB v. General Motors Corporation, 373 U.S. 734, 53 LRRM 2313, the Supreme Court held that the term “member” requires only the payment of periodic dues and fees as opposed to full membership. Since the Court noted that “the membership that is required has been whittled down to its financial core”[2], individuals choosing that approach are often referred to as “financial core members.” Thus, under current law, no one has to be a member of a union in order to maintain a job, but all employees subject to a union security obligation can be required to pay union dues and fees. The Board in Paperworkers Local 1033 (Weyerhauser Paper Co.), 320 NLRB 349 (1995), held that a union must give employees notice of their General Motors rights before seeking to obligate employees under a union-security clause. A number of states have exercised their option under Section 14(b) of the Act to pass legislation outlawing union-security agreements. Such legislation is commonly referred to as a “right-to-work” law. States currently having such laws include: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana (agricultural workers only), Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Wyoming. Employees working in states with “right-to-work” laws cannot be required to pay union dues and fees under a so-called "union-shop" clause, unless they are employed on a federal enclave. 2. What did the Supreme Court hold in Beck? In Communications Workers of America v. Beck, 487 U.S. 735 (1988), the Supreme Court held that the proviso to Section 8(a)(3) of the Act, which allows employers and unions to enter into union-security agreements, does not “permit a union, over the objections of dues-paying nonmember employees, to expend funds so collected [pursuant to a union-security clause] on activities unrelated to collective bargaining, contract administration or grievance adjustment.” The Court also concluded that “such expenditures violate the union’s duty of fair representation.” 3. What are an employee’s rights and a union’s obligations under Beck? In order to be eligible for Beck rights, an employee (1) must be a nonmember and (2) must be covered by a union-security clause in a collective-bargaining agreement. In general terms, a union’s obligations under Beck are to provide notice to nonmember employees of their Beck rights; to refrain from charging objectors for nonrepresentational expenses; to provide objectors with a financial disclosure; and to establish procedures for objectors to challenge the accuracy of the union’s disclosure. Initial Notice A union’s initial obligation under Beck is to inform the employee that he has the right to be or remain a nonmember, subject only to the duty to pay initiation fees and dues,[3] and that nonmembers have the right (1) to object to paying for union activities not germane to the union’s duties as bargaining agent and to obtain a reduction in fees for such activities; (2) to be given sufficient information to enable the employee to intelligently decide whether to object; (3) to be apprised of any internal union procedures for filing objections.[4] This initial Beck notice must be given at or before the time the union first seeks to obligate a nonmember employee under the terms of the union-security agreement.[5] In addition, a union member employee must be provided with an initial Beck notice if he did not receive notice at the time he entered the bargaining unit.[6] The initial notice requirement is satisfied by giving the unit employee notice once and is not a continuing requirement.[7] The Board does not require the initial Beck notice to be in any particular form as long as the union has made reasonable efforts to notify employees of their Beck rights.[8] Treatment of “objectors” A union has no further obligation under Beck until a nonmember employee objects to paying that portion of dues which covers nonrepresentational expenses. Such employees are often referred to as “objectors.” Generally, a union may require that objections be sent to the union during a specified annual “window period.”[9] However, a union cannot require that objections be sent by registered or certified mail, or that employees mail objections individually rather than consolidating several objections in one envelope.[10] Once a nonmember employee “objects,” a union must refrain from charging him for that portion of dues which is expended for nonrepresentational functions. The union must also apprise the objector of the percentage of reduction in fees for objecting nonmembers, the basis for the union’s calculation, and the right to challenge these figures.[11] The information the union provides to an objector must be sufficient to enable the objector to determine whether to challenge the union’s allocations.[12] Thus, a union must provide a summary of major categories of “chargeable” and “nonchargeable” expenditures, but need not provide detailed supporting schedules.[13] In addition, the union must verify by audit that the expenditures claimed were actually made.[14] Challenge An objector may challenge the union’s allocation of representational and nonrepresentational expenditures. A union must provide “reasonable procedures” enabling objectors to file such challenges.[15] A union’s challenge procedure must not be arbitrary, discriminatory, or administered in bad faith.[16] The above is, of necessity, a general description of an employee’s rights and a union’s obligations under Beck. It is beyond the scope of this reference guide to cover the many issues which may arise with respect to these obligations. Issues concerning any of the above procedures may be raised in the form of appropriate unfair labor practice charges. 4. What expenses are “nonrepresentational?” In Beck, the Court held that Section 8(a)(3) does not permit unions to expend funds, over the objection of the nonmember employees, on activities “unrelated to collective bargaining, contract administration and grievance adjustment.” The Board and courts must determine, in contested cases, which specific functions fall within these categories. Generally, expenses incurred for activities within the objector's bargaining unit are chargeable if they are “germane” to the union’s representational role. Expenses attributable to activities outside the objector’s bargaining unit – “extra-unit” expenses – may be charged if, in addition to being “germane” to the union’s representational role, they are incurred for services that may ultimately inure to the benefit of the members of the local union by virtue of their membership in the parent organization.[17] The Board has held that organizing expenses may be charged to Beck objectors, at least to the extent the organizing is within the same competitive market as that of the bargaining unit employer.[18] The Board has found that “economists generally agree that there is a positive relationship between the extent of unionization of employees in an industry or locality and negotiated wage rates.”[19] The Office of the General Counsel has taken the position that lobbying expenses generally are nonrepresentational. The Board has not yet determined whether lobbying expenses are representational or nonrepresentational.[20] With regard to a union’s litigation expenses, the Board has held that they might be considered representational if they are germane to the union’s role in collective bargaining, contract administration and grievance settlement.[21] Employees believing that any aspect of a union’s Beck policies are unlawful may, as always, raise this issue by filing an unfair labor practice charge. 5. What if a union seeks the discharge of an employee for nonpayment of dues, where the union has not complied with its Beck or General Motors obligations? If a union requests that an employer discharge an employee for alleged nonpayment of dues without the union having afforded Beck or General Motors rights, the union’s action may violate Section 8(b)(1)(A) and 8(b)(2) of the Act. The employee may file an appropriate unfair labor practice charge. 6. What did President Bush’s February 17, 2001 Executive Order provide? The Executive Order, a copy of which is attached, requires all federal agencies to begin including in their contracts a provision obligating the contracting employer to post workplace notices informing employees of Beck rights. The Order will be effective April 18, 2001, and will be administered by the Department of Labor. 7. What if the employer or the employee is not covered by the NLRA? The Executive Order covers not only employees who are covered by the NLRA but also those who may be covered by the Railway Labor Act (RLA). As usual, inquiries by employees covered under the RLA should be referred to the nearest office of the National Mediation Board. 8. What if an employee inquires whether he or she may resign from a union, despite restrictions on such resignations in the union’s constitution or by-laws? The Supreme Court held, in a 1985 case, Pattern Makers League v. NLRB (Rockford-Beloit Pattern Jobbers), 473 U.S. 95, that an employee is free to resign from “full” union membership at any time. You should inform the employee that any resignation should be made in such a way so as to leave no doubt of intent. The employee should also be advised of his/her right to file a charge with respect to any action by the union to prevent the resignation. Similarly, the employee has the option of challenging, through an unfair labor practice charge, the legality of any restriction in the union constitution or by-laws concerning resignation. 9. What if an employee advises you that his religion prevents him/her from joining a labor organization and inquires whether he/she is still required to pay union-security dues? Section 19 of the Act[22] provides that “any employee who is a member of and adheres to established and traditional tenets...or teachings of a bona fide religion, body or sect which has historically held conscientious objections to joining or financially supporting labor organizations shall not be required to join or financially support any labor organization as a condition of employment....” However, Section 19 also provides that such employees may be required, in lieu of periodic dues, to pay sums equal to such dues to a “nonreligious, nonlabor organization charitable fund exempt from taxation under...the Internal Revenue Code chosen by the employee from a list of at least three such funds designated in the contract or if the contract fails to designate such funds then to any such fund chosen by the employee.” The Office of the General Counsel has not yet considered whether Beck has any impact on Section 19. Those wishing to raise that or any other issue concerning Section 19 may, as always, do so by filing an unfair labor practice charge. EXECUTIVE ORDER NOTIFICATION OF EMPLOYEE RIGHTS CONCERNING PAYMENT OF UNION DUES OR FEES By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act, 40 U.S.C. 471 et seq., and in order to ensure the economical and efficient administration and completion of Government contracts, it is hereby ordered that: Section 1. (a) This order is designed to promote economy and efficiency in Government procurement. When workers are better informed of their rights, including their rights under the Federal labor laws, their productivity is enhanced. The availability of such a workforce from which the United States may draw facilitates the efficient and economical completion of its procurement contracts. (b) The Secretary of Labor (Secretary) shall be responsible for the administration and enforcement of this order. The Secretary shall adopt such rules and regulations and issue such orders as are deemed necessary and appropriate to achieve the purposes of this order. Sec. 2. (a) Except in contracts exempted in accordance with section 3 of this order, all Government contracting departments and agencies shall, to the extent consistent with law, include the following provisions in every Govern-ment contract, other than collective bargaining agreements as defined in 5 U.S.C. 7103(a)(8) and purchases under the "Simplified Acquisition Threshold" as defined in the Office of Federal Procurement Policy Act (41 U.S.C. 403). 1. During the term of this contract, the contractor agrees to post a notice, of such size and in such form as the Secretary of Labor shall prescribe, in conspicuous places in and about its plants and offices, including all places where notices to employees are customarily posted. The notice shall include the following information (except that the last sentence shall not be included in notices posted in the plants or offices of carriers subject to the Railway Labor Act, as amended (45 U.S.C. 151-188)): NOTICE TO EMPLOYEES Under Federal law, employees cannot be required to join a union or maintain membership in a union in order to retain their jobs. Under certain conditions, the law permits a union and an employer to enter into a union-security agree-ment requiring employees to pay uniform periodic dues and initiation fees. However, employees who are not union members can object to the use of their payments for certain purposes and can only be required to pay their share of union costs relating to col-lective bargaining, contract administration, and grievance adjustment. "If you do not want to pay that portion of dues or fees used to support activities not related to collective bargaining, contract administration, or grievance adjustment, you are entitled to an appropriate reduction in your payment. If you believe that you have been required to pay dues or fees used in part to support activities not related to collective bargaining, contract administration, or grievance adjustment, you may be entitled to a refund and to an appropriate reduction in future payments.
  21. I was replying to your earlier comment re how plans are managed. Contributions may be directed by the individual but the very choices presented are controlled by whomever is directing the plan. That's correct. Whether there is a union involved or not that is the case. In our case. I did the legwork for both labor and management, and the care and feeding of the program is taken care of by people from both sides.
  22. Who died and made YOU the king of Pub Club? And stop trying to thread drift!
  23. Last night at Pub Club, Icegirl referred to Klenke as a “Republican.” He replied by saying “oh no, I’m not a Republican”. Now Klenk’s certainly a conservative guy, but I was not surprised to hear his denial of party affiliation. Today I am hearing that GWB is planning to attack John Kerry by accusing him of being a liberal. Now Kerry is running on the Democratic side, so one would expect him to be a liberal. How did being a Dem or a Repub, or a lib or a conservative, become something to hide from/deny/be ashamed of? If you deny party affiliation or lib vs. conserve, is it because you don’t regularly vote one way or another? Are there a lot of you who do that? I was raised by two Democrats and became one myself (surprise) and have only voted non-D a handful of times or less. If someone asks me I say that I am a Democrat.
  24. Yep. I actually was the one who put together our 401(k) plan. What's your point/question/issue? This is how I did ours: did some research, made some decisions, discussed it with the membership, signed the paper. Our decision was based on a number of factors. Now why on earth would I be interested in verifying/proving your claim for you? If you're going to trash unions, try to do it based on factual information.
  25. OK, I don't know how a defined benefit plan works in terms of managing the investments. In the case of a defined contribution plan (like a 401K), the investments are directed by the individual. So what you are saying is in a defined benefit plan, the union reps determine where the funds are invested? That seems nutty. Wouldn't it be a board of Trustees? If so, is it these people who are getting kickbacks? That's pretty fucked if it's true. Can you give me an example or two of this happening?
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