hey goatblower- first of all i don't diss people when they put up new routes - unlike a lot of this crowd still debating on bolting issues. second, i just stated a simple fact that there aren't any hard routes by todays standards- rock or mixed, period. if you'd open last couple of issues of Alpinist you would see at what level people climb.
last winter i did put up a new route- i didn't see you line up (or anybody else as the matter of fact) to repeat it. as the matter of fact a day before another party bailed from under the same face as i recall (quite competent climbers), so maybe you should shut up.
plus i just spent 2 months in europe climbing (where btw i managed to send 7c+, how many have you done sucker??), so now i have to make some doe. werd
I agree that there have been no advancements in climbing done in the PNW, for whatever reasons. But sport climbing does indeed provide training for extreme trad routes. Pope. You ever heard of The Honeymoon if Over, on the Diamond? 13c at close to 14k. Who did it? Oh, right, that 'sport monkey' Caldwell. How'd he get so strong? That's right, clipping bolts! It's the exact same progression that's happening in alpinism/mixed climbing. That new line on Howse Peak, it's bold, hard, and unrepeated. Who did it? Oh, right, the modern 'bolt junkies' Will Gadd and Co. So shut up. It's people like you who keep the level of climbing down by making some pathetic excuses. LAME!
Glasgow, I agree with your sentiments, but don't argue on the basis of individual climbing abilities. Makes you look like an asshole, just because Goat doesn't climb 13s doesn't mean his opinion isn't legit.